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robones 08-13-2012 01:05 PM

They may give you a hard time even with the FI. If the dealer is to try to find the reason why you are running rich (which has to do with the info from the intake and various exhaust sensors) they may say, well you have an aftermarket exhaust which may be causing your condition. As you may already know, running rich is bad for your car. Fouls the plugs, bad for your CAT and of course really poor fuel economy.

cavemancan 08-13-2012 01:14 PM

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Originally Posted by MyKindaGuise (Post 1865978)
Sounds like bad O2 sensor dude. Just went through this with my headers. My one plug was slightly cracked so the wires werent making a complete connection on the one sensor. I was getting 10-12 city and 15-17 highway....pulled the plug and now I'm at 18 city and 28 highway. Plug for you is easy to replace anyone 2011 and up will be a bitch. They use different plugs and the dealerships can't even order them...having one specially made :/

The irony is if it were that simple I would be happy but my brother checked the sensors with this tool and they are ok. I have an extended warrantee untill 100k miles so I am all set in that regard. It's the not knowing that is killing me.

Sales@AAMComp 08-17-2012 09:46 AM

OP are you sure you didn't get the case of "my car is louder so my foot got heavier"? Theoretically a muffler delete really shouldn't have any plan in a/f ratios but I'd like to see what the outcome of this really is. I highly doubt it relates to the muffler delete

Maybe put the stocker back on and see if the mpg goes back?

kenny's 370z 08-17-2012 10:01 AM

i have done a muffler delete and tb bypass's.that was my first mods and when i bought the car,the computer said i was getting 18.5 miles to the gallon.after delete and bypasses,i havnt seen under 20.

Nak4mura 05-22-2013 07:36 PM

I just did the muffler delete last week and had the tips custom welded back on and sometimes usually when I am getting on it I can smell gas. I mentioned it to my buddy and he said it means its running rich. I asked the shop before hand if it could have any negative impact and they said no it will just change the sound. So if it is causing a rich condition (which would suck...) then I will go have the muffler put back on.

JARblue 05-22-2013 07:53 PM

I just got a tune this past weekend, and after several discussions with various people of varying knowledge, I believe that the car runs rich regardless. Has anyone ever seen a stock 370Z that isn't running rich? With an 11:1 compression, it's likely Nissan just being cautious. They have to run it even richer to account for uncaring drivers who use regular gas.

I amfully stock except for intakes (which, if anything, should make it leaner) and my tuner said I was running extremely rich.

SS_Firehawk 05-22-2013 07:59 PM

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Originally Posted by SS_Firehawk (Post 1839485)
A bad O2 sensor doesn't throws a code. It took a long time before I figured out I had a bad sensor. Cipher helped me track it down. And yes, it ran pig rich.

Let me revise this and say it doesn't bluntly say your O2 sensor is messed up when you look it up. It was a ver common P0300 code and maybe something else that did nothing to help track it down. Data logging was the only way I saw it.

cavemancan 05-23-2013 05:22 PM

After installing my FI exhaust my gas mileage went back to normal.

HumbleZ34 05-26-2013 07:02 AM

It's your o2 sensor. Happened to my Z also

stewarts2008 06-20-2013 06:35 PM

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Originally Posted by cavemancan (Post 2330290)
After installing my FI exhaust my gas mileage went back to normal.

so you fixed it? What was it?

If your muffler delete was rattling, then yes, the knock sensors could have picked up vibrations.

Im not sure how loud it was, but if you car was crazy loud, then the knock sensors can pick up on that in general.

any updates?

cavemancan 07-05-2013 06:09 PM

Still running with stock gas mileage when I installed the FI exhaust. I honestly cannot give you a definitive answer as to why it ran rich with the muffler delete but perhaps the knock sensor theory has some merit? I don't think so but perhaps.

Shortly after the FI install I also installed the Takeda intake. The only change was a HP increase. Mileage while cruising on the highway is more or less the same. I have 15k + miles with both mods without any issues. So I consider the issue resolved.


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