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bigrob126 04-22-2012 12:21 AM

Lowering engine compartment temps
 
I have been thinking of ways to keep the engine compartment cooler, which in turn will help keep the engine cooler. Big temps are once again on the way here in Vegas. Was wondering if anybody had some suggestions. I have no issues, but am always trying to improve if I can. I have removed the lower cover, I know this helps keep the compartment free of dirt and may provide a little more under aero dynamics, but I also know how much heat it traps in and that bugs me. I have also removed the rear rubber seal by the windshield to let heat escape. I was thinking of lifting the rear portion of the hood by placing washers in between the hood and the hindge plate, although the sides of the hood will then be higher than the fenders. I dont want to cut any holes in my hood!

Vbp6US 04-22-2012 02:13 AM

Would this offer any significant gains in terms of cooling? Not sure how I feel about the hood being above the fenders.

bvl 04-22-2012 06:03 AM

I’m puttin’ speed holes in my car...

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SPOHN 04-22-2012 08:09 AM

This

http://i1109.photobucket.com/albums/...akeover016.jpg

Baer383 04-22-2012 09:01 AM

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bigrob126 04-22-2012 10:14 AM

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Originally Posted by SPOHN (Post 1678608)

Where did you get that hood and what was the cost?

sfearl1 04-22-2012 10:33 AM

instead of completely removing the under shroud, i suggest getting one of these.

Z Speed Performance Aluminum Under Shroud (do a search for them under vendors)

http://www.z1motorsports.com/350_g35...600&page=popup

SPOHN 04-22-2012 10:34 AM

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Originally Posted by bigrob126 (Post 1678764)
Where did you get that hood and what was the cost?

It's custom. Bought the hood vents from a vendor Carbon Signal (here on the forum) and had them molded in. All and all about $1k

Baer383 04-22-2012 10:43 AM

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Originally Posted by sfearl1 (Post 1678780)
instead of completely removing the under shroud, i suggest getting one of these.

Z Speed Performance Aluminum Under Shroud (do a search for them under vendors)

http://www.z1motorsports.com/350_g35...600&page=popup

Does this fit regular Z ,and Nismo?

daisuke149 04-22-2012 10:47 AM

frank, tehy make one for each model, regular and nismo.

Ron 04-22-2012 10:47 AM

they have a version for each

Ron 04-22-2012 10:47 AM

you beat me to it Dai. :D

MacLean 04-22-2012 10:50 AM

The hood looks effen sweet.

PapoZalsa 04-22-2012 10:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Vbp6US (Post 1678501)
Would this offer any significant gains in terms of cooling? Not sure how I feel about the hood being above the fenders.

That is Old School back in the 70s & 80s people did that. Don't know if the purpose was cooling the compartment or a trend.

Alstann 04-22-2012 02:35 PM

Seibon sells a range of hoods with slots or vents in them. The one I like the most is:

SEIBON :: Hoods :: HD0910NS370-TS

Looks close to the one SPOHN has in that picture.

As for removing the undertray, I would imagine that would help somewhat, but heat does tend to rise. Removing the undertray might cause some nasty turbulence or something.

Snakes709 04-22-2012 02:38 PM

Just drive with no hood on. I see plenty of cars around the city with no hoods.

UNKNOWN_370 04-22-2012 02:57 PM

Start with replacing some of the internals first. Silicone , intake radiator and wiring hoses. This will protect the car from the heat that's exerted. Ceramic coated stillen header will help promote keeping things cooler. Then you might want to consider? (Depending on yyour drive style or if you are force feeding your car) a thermostat. An oil and power steering cooler will help keep things kool. Then finally, one of these slotted hoods.

Baer383 04-22-2012 03:05 PM

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Originally Posted by UNKNOWN_370 (Post 1679121)
Start with replacing some of the internals first. Silicone , intake radiator and wiring hoses. This will protect the car from the heat that's exerted. Ceramic coated stillen header will help promote keeping things cooler. Then you might want to consider? (Depending on yyour drive style or if you are force feeding your car) a thermostat. An oil and power steering cooler will help keep things kool. Then finally, one of these slotted hoods.

Don't do the thermostat all it will do is throw CEL:shakes head:

juld0zer 06-20-2013 06:33 AM

why would a thermostat change cause a CEL?
it might not be too helpful in cooler months but i've been contemplating a thermostat swap for mine for a while. other than that, i would like to take control over the fans and crank them on at a lower coolant temp but that requires uprev.

my quest to find a coolant temp sensor that had different scaling was futile also.
even if i found a suitable one, the sensor is in a very awkward spot to reach. easier to wire up a switch to kick the relays on

DEpointfive0 06-20-2013 06:39 AM

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Originally Posted by juld0zer (Post 2371212)
why would a thermostat change cause a CEL?
it might not be too helpful in cooler months but i've been contemplating a thermostat swap for mine for a while. other than that, i would like to take control over the fans and crank them on at a lower coolant temp but that requires uprev.

my quest to find a coolant temp sensor that had different scaling was futile also.
even if i found a suitable one, the sensor is in a very awkward spot to reach. easier to wire up a switch to kick the relays on

Because it will take the car too long to warm up and the water temps will fall too quickly and you'll get a CEL

theDreamer 06-20-2013 07:36 AM

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Originally Posted by DEpointfive0 (Post 2371216)
Because it will take the car too long to warm up and the water temps will fall too quickly and you'll get a CEL

:iagree:
The car has certain presets built in, you can "overcool" the car and cause a CEL if it does not warm up fast enough.

On the venting side:
-Vented hood
-Vented fender liner (GTM sells a prefabbed one but you can DIY it)
-Undershroud
-Better heat management (Wrapping intake pipes, headers, etc)

Cooling:
-Tune with fan speed adjustment
-Radiator upgrade
-Radiator fan upgrade
-Oil cooler
-Radiator fluid swap (doing a blend of antifreeze & water)

Chuck33079 06-20-2013 09:14 AM

Since the back of the hood and windshield is a high pressure area, wouldn't removing the seals there or raising the back of the hood cause air to be forced under the back of the hood at speed? Kind of like a cowl induction hood on a domestic? Airflow coming in that way would interfere with the air exiting the back of the radiator. I'm all for lowering underhood temps, but I'm not sure tha's going to work as planned. I would expect it to have some positive effect when stopped, just not at speed.

Right now the next items I've got to do for heat management is venting the fender liners, putting in a slightly lower temp thermostat, and going to a different mix of antifreeze and water. A vented hood may happen down the line, but I'm not sold on that on a daily driver.

Mitco39 06-20-2013 09:17 AM

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Originally Posted by juld0zer (Post 2371212)
why would a thermostat change cause a CEL?

The ECM takes a look at your ECT's and your IATs to determine if your thermostat is doing what it should. If this check fails it will trip a code.

theDreamer 06-20-2013 09:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Chuck33079 (Post 2371432)
Since the back of the hood and windshield is a high pressure area, wouldn't removing the seals there or raising the back of the hood cause air to be forced under the back of the hood at speed? Kind of like a cowl induction hood on a domestic? Airflow coming in that way would interfere with the air exiting the back of the radiator. I'm all for lowering underhood temps, but I'm not sure tha's going to work as planned. I would expect it to have some positive effect when stopped, just not at speed.

Right now the next items I've got to do for heat management is venting the fender liners, putting in a slightly lower temp thermostat, and going to a different mix of antifreeze and water. A vented hood may happen down the line, but I'm not sold on that on a daily driver.

Well you might get a good report here soon...if something happens for me. ;)
On the hood seals, it would depend on the air pressure under the hood. Like the GT500 this is true, that is why they vent from the front because air pressure is pushed forward to that point and is released from there. The Z might push air backwards possibly or down even while driving which means the best venting is the vented hoods and under the car.

Need someone to run some pressure tests on a stock hood and determine airflow during idle, slow driving, WOT, etc.

Chuck33079 06-20-2013 09:33 AM

Or just tape a bunch of 1" pieces for yarn all over the area and see which way they move.

DR_ 06-20-2013 09:46 AM

Go to a 25/75 mix of coolant/water instead of the typical 50/50. This can easily drop coolant temps 10-15 degrees.

theDreamer 06-20-2013 09:48 AM

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Originally Posted by DR_ (Post 2371487)
Go to a 25/75 mix of coolant/water instead of the typical 50/50. This can easily drop coolant temps 10-15 degrees.

If I did just a basic flush of the system, meaning there is still some in the system somewhere. How much water v coolant you think?

Chuck33079 06-20-2013 09:55 AM

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Originally Posted by DR_ (Post 2371487)
Go to a 25/75 mix of coolant/water instead of the typical 50/50. This can easily drop coolant temps 10-15 degrees.

That's next on my list. Even with the CSF radiator, lowered fan temps and an oil cooler, it gets a little hot in traffic if I've been beating on the car earlier and it's over 100 degrees. I'll see the temp gauge move up 1-2 dots.

MX52Z 06-20-2013 10:17 AM

The back of the hood typically is a high pressure area and raising it is a double negative. Not only does it disturb proper flow through the radiator(s), it lets heat into the cabin.

The belly pan isn't just just for splash protection, it acts to aid flow through the radiators, especially helpful when there are two or three that air has to flow through.

Chuck33079 06-20-2013 10:20 AM

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Originally Posted by MX52Z (Post 2371544)
The back of the hood typically is a high pressure area and raising it is a double negative. Not only does it disturb proper flow through the radiator(s), it lets heat into the cabin.

That's exactly what I thought.

IDZRVIT 06-20-2013 05:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Snakes709 (Post 1679106)
Just drive with no hood on. I see plenty of cars around the city with no hoods.

Saves weight too! A win-win for sure!

Nut_N_Much 06-24-2013 11:58 AM

Heat wrap your exhaust from the Header to the H-Pipe. Wrapping the exhaust keeps the exhaust gases hot and flowing faster out of the engine. We do this on Trophy trucks and Rock Crawlers. Faster the gases leave the engine the cooler the engine will run. Its good for 2 to 3 degrees and simple to do.. :twocents:


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