E85 Has anyone done it?

corbin09 · 04-16-2012, 10:29 PM

Hey guys-

I am contemplating converting to E85 just wanted to see if anyone has done it. I know I would need a bigger pump and injectors, and I am pretty sure the lines will handle it.

Does any one know which size is best to go with?

Any opinions? Help is appreciated

gaveup · 04-17-2012, 12:13 AM

Well, I doubt you would see the benefits NA that other cars see as you can't advance timing like they can.

But...hell if I know. Would love to see any sort of gains.

corbin09 · 04-17-2012, 09:49 AM

We cant advance timing with Uprev? I thought we could. I was just looking into this option. Obviously I would need injectors and a pump and a re-tune. If anyone has an idea on what I would need, let me know and I will try this out for the rest of us and report back results.

gaveup · 04-17-2012, 02:02 PM

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Originally Posted by corbin09

We cant advance timing with Uprev? I thought we could. I was just looking into this option. Obviously I would need injectors and a pump and a re-tune. If anyone has an idea on what I would need, let me know and I will try this out for the rest of us and report back results.

We can only retard timing with uprev. The ecu will do whatever it wants when it comes to timing advance. You can set something similar to target afr's but that seems to be about it.

Outside of injectors, pump and retune you're going to hear a lot of people say the fuel lines can get corroded by e85 and over time can cause a problem. However, I really can't tell you how accurate that is as I know many people down here running e85 in their newer cars that are "not e85 ready".

Just spray it

corbin09 · 04-17-2012, 02:19 PM

Ha well you took my idea, I was thinking of going e85 then spraying it. Stinks we cant advance timing with Uprev. What do people with FI cars use?

VQStryker · 04-17-2012, 03:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by corbin09

Ha well you took my idea, I was thinking of going e85 then spraying it. Stinks we cant advance timing with Uprev. What do people with FI cars use?

uprev but I didn't know the tuner couldn't advance timing

gaveup · 04-17-2012, 05:10 PM

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Originally Posted by VQStryker

uprev but I didn't know the tuner couldn't advance timing

I could be wrong, I am not a tuner. However, I recall hearing a few mention you can advance it, but the ECU will put it back to where it sees optimal.

corbin09 · 04-18-2012, 10:21 AM

gaveup- we can advance timing with uprev apparently. So I guess I will be moving forward with this.

Speedy · 04-18-2012, 02:37 PM

I'd skip it man. My buddy's have some problems with it in their Challengers. Absorbs moisture like crazy, eats up filter socks, etc. Too much trouble for a normal car IMO.

blackonorange · 04-18-2012, 08:56 PM

Our cars ride the knock sensors. The ecu puts the timing where it wants to a point

Jordo! · 04-18-2012, 10:09 PM

You can advance timing, but the motor doesn't make much power beyond another degree or two of advance. There are limits.

I don'think it's worth it on this (or maybe any) motor, NA.

Compdoc777 · 04-19-2012, 09:51 AM

When I ran E-85 I got a little more whp and gobs of torque in my Saturn Sky I was at 300 whp and 400 torque. I ran about 290 whp and 350 torque on 93 with tune. Yet my car could run through 12 gallons in less than 60 miles and I would run out of fuel and hit limp mode on a 4th gear pull. Yet that would get me to about 130 mph really really fast before it went into limp mode. Example I smoked a modified 6.0 liter pontiac top end or up to limp mode.

The stuff is just like race fuel when tuned, but it goes like race fuel too! You will have to fill up more than you do, but it does cost less at the pump.

A lot of people run a mix half 93 and half E-85 and call it E-47 I think the best of both worlds. Still need to be tuned for it. This keeps the fuel limits more in check.

vividracing · 04-25-2012, 03:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gaveup

We can only retard timing with uprev. The ecu will do whatever it wants when it comes to timing advance. You can set something similar to target afr's but that seems to be about it.

Outside of injectors, pump and retune you're going to hear a lot of people say the fuel lines can get corroded by e85 and over time can cause a problem. However, I really can't tell you how accurate that is as I know many people down here running e85 in their newer cars that are "not e85 ready".

Just spray it

In addition to the metal lines corroding from E85s ability to soak up moisture, you've also gotta make sure your rubber lines are E85 compatible. If not, it's cheap and easy to replace them. Also, run an inline fuel filter.

I really wouldn't bother with E85 on a mostly stock engine. If you're going to boost it or do a high comp build, then go for E85. Otherwise you're just going to end up with worse fuel economy and minimal gains in my opinion.

NYBladeZ · 04-25-2012, 03:18 PM

Talk to Phunk, he runs e85 on his TT setup.

Gearhead51 · 04-26-2012, 08:37 AM

Would it have any benefits naturally aspirated that would warrant the difficulty? On turbo cars, it allows higher boost and more power, but at the cost of burning MUCH more fuel to get that horsepower. E85 has less BTU than gasoline per gallon.

You could always get an aquamist type system and fill it with methanol, which is what my FD runs at high boost levels. I still don't know what that would do naturally aspirated besides cool the intake charge (which is more critical on boost) and add fuel. N2O works better for cooling the charge and is a great oxidizer.

04-16-2012, 10:29 PM	#1 (permalink)
corbin09 Track Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Dallas tx Posts: 665 Drives: 370z Rep Power: 280	E85 Has anyone done it? Hey guys- I am contemplating converting to E85 just wanted to see if anyone has done it. I know I would need a bigger pump and injectors, and I am pretty sure the lines will handle it. Does any one know which size is best to go with? Any opinions? Help is appreciated

04-17-2012, 12:13 AM	#2 (permalink)
gaveup Enthusiast Member Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: Tamarac FL Posts: 324 Drives: 10 Nissan 370Z MB M6 Rep Power: 181	Well, I doubt you would see the benefits NA that other cars see as you can't advance timing like they can. But...hell if I know. Would love to see any sort of gains. __________________ 2010 Magnetic Black Metallic 370Z 6M stillen gen 3 CAI - topspeed test pipes - invidia gemini CBE - UpRev tune 301whp (HP Logic Mustang Dyno)

04-18-2012, 10:09 PM	#11 (permalink)
Jordo! A True Z Fanatic Join Date: May 2010 Location: nirvana Posts: 6,394 Drives: 2023 NATM Rep Power: 418	You can advance timing, but the motor doesn't make much power beyond another degree or two of advance. There are limits. I don'think it's worth it on this (or maybe any) motor, NA. __________________ Enjoy it. Destroy it.

04-25-2012, 03:18 PM	#14 (permalink)
NYBladeZ A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: New York Posts: 2,158 Drives: Lotus Exige S Rep Power: 20	Talk to Phunk, he runs e85 on his TT setup. __________________ 2009 Carbon Fiber/Red 370z aka Trish: Sports Package, Meisterschaft full catback, Fast Intentions Longtube Headers, Injen Long Tube Intakes, UpRev Tune: Sold 2008 Lotus Exige S Club Racer aka Bella, always leaves me smiling

04-26-2012, 08:37 AM	#15 (permalink)
Gearhead51 Base Member Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: Gainesville, GA Posts: 17 Drives: Which one? Rep Power: 14	Would it have any benefits naturally aspirated that would warrant the difficulty? On turbo cars, it allows higher boost and more power, but at the cost of burning MUCH more fuel to get that horsepower. E85 has less BTU than gasoline per gallon. You could always get an aquamist type system and fill it with methanol, which is what my FD runs at high boost levels. I still don't know what that would do naturally aspirated besides cool the intake charge (which is more critical on boost) and add fuel. N2O works better for cooling the charge and is a great oxidizer. __________________ His: '94 RX7 Gotham Racing Street Port 3mm seals, Power FC, GR67 single (T04R), twin Tials dumping behind front tire, Tein coilovers w/ EDFC shocks, etc... Hers: '09 370Z Touring, 7AT, all stock (for now)... '04 Silverado Z71 for sale.

04-17-2012, 09:49 AM	#3 (permalink)
corbin09 Track Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Dallas tx Posts: 665 Drives: 370z Rep Power: 280	We cant advance timing with Uprev? I thought we could. I was just looking into this option. Obviously I would need injectors and a pump and a re-tune. If anyone has an idea on what I would need, let me know and I will try this out for the rest of us and report back results.

04-17-2012, 02:19 PM	#5 (permalink)
corbin09 Track Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Dallas tx Posts: 665 Drives: 370z Rep Power: 280	Ha well you took my idea, I was thinking of going e85 then spraying it. Stinks we cant advance timing with Uprev. What do people with FI cars use?

04-18-2012, 10:21 AM	#8 (permalink)
corbin09 Track Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Dallas tx Posts: 665 Drives: 370z Rep Power: 280	gaveup- we can advance timing with uprev apparently. So I guess I will be moving forward with this.

04-18-2012, 02:37 PM	#9 (permalink)
Speedy Enthusiast Member Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: TN Posts: 390 Drives: check my signature Rep Power: 13	I'd skip it man. My buddy's have some problems with it in their Challengers. Absorbs moisture like crazy, eats up filter socks, etc. Too much trouble for a normal car IMO.

04-18-2012, 08:56 PM	#10 (permalink)
blackonorange A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: Saskatchewan Posts: 1,078 Drives: 09 370z Rep Power: 16	Our cars ride the knock sensors. The ecu puts the timing where it wants to a point

04-19-2012, 09:51 AM	#12 (permalink)
Compdoc777 Enthusiast Member Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: Cypress Posts: 277 Drives: 2011 Nismo #4 MB Rep Power: 14	When I ran E-85 I got a little more whp and gobs of torque in my Saturn Sky I was at 300 whp and 400 torque. I ran about 290 whp and 350 torque on 93 with tune. Yet my car could run through 12 gallons in less than 60 miles and I would run out of fuel and hit limp mode on a 4th gear pull. Yet that would get me to about 130 mph really really fast before it went into limp mode. Example I smoked a modified 6.0 liter pontiac top end or up to limp mode. The stuff is just like race fuel when tuned, but it goes like race fuel too! You will have to fill up more than you do, but it does cost less at the pump. A lot of people run a mix half 93 and half E-85 and call it E-47 I think the best of both worlds. Still need to be tuned for it. This keeps the fuel limits more in check.