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indyn 01-26-2012 02:43 PM

cam gears for VQ37
 
is this new? Jim Wolf Technology website
might be able to squeeze out little more power out of VQ37's.

XwChriswX 01-26-2012 03:50 PM

Those are for a VQ35 and more specifically a VQ35DE motor. (2003-05 350Z's) Won't work with our VQ37.

indyn 01-27-2012 08:45 AM

says it fits g37 and 370z

HKYStormFront 01-27-2012 09:01 AM

i guess they give you more adjustability than our stock cam phasers (which do adjust using oil pressure i believe). also, this would probably seriously throw off the VVEL system if i had to guess. i'd be interested to see some "bench testing" of these on a VQ37VHR

ChipsWithDips 01-27-2012 11:16 AM

VVEL (and IVT) is only on the intake cams.

Our exhaust cams have no adjustability from the factory. These gears are for the exhaust cams, so they would provide some extra tunability that is not possible otherwise.

Megan370z 01-27-2012 11:29 AM

I would be tempted to try those ! :)

phunk 01-27-2012 01:36 PM

you may be tempted until you found out how much work it will take to make a simple adjustment!! i dont think this is a realistic option for the VHR since changing the adjustment to dial it in is more time and labor than its worth for anyone but a full time race team.

HKYStormFront 01-27-2012 05:14 PM

i agree with this^ you're talking about a good 6-8 hours of labor to make a small change in timing

Quote:

Originally Posted by ChipsWithDips (Post 1512060)
VVEL (and IVT) is only on the intake cams.

Our exhaust cams have no adjustability from the factory. These gears are for the exhaust cams, so they would provide some extra tunability that is not possible otherwise.

pretty sure both cams have cam phasers... the VQ35DE "revup" and the VQ35HR did...

ChipsWithDips 01-27-2012 05:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HKYStormFront (Post 1512805)
i agree with this^ you're talking about a good 6-8 hours of labor to make a small change in timing



pretty sure both cams have cam phasers... the VQ35DE "revup" and the VQ35HR did...

Yes thats true those motors did have exhaust phasing. But VHR isn't those motors. It's all in the service manual, and can also be seen if look at a disassembled VHR head.

http://i.imgur.com/dJGuE.png
Notice how the intake valve open and close times have a wide range, and the exhaust valve has 0 range?

No clue why nissan did it this way, maybe they couldn't make it all fit in there with VVEL + exhaust phasing, maybe they are saving it so they can have more power in the next generation engine, maybe cost, who knows.

HKYStormFront 01-27-2012 05:25 PM

my mistake, could have sworn it had cam phasers on the exhaust cams...

Megan370z 01-27-2012 06:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by phunk (Post 1512326)
you may be tempted until you found out how much work it will take to make a simple adjustment!! i dont think this is a realistic option for the VHR since changing the adjustment to dial it in is more time and labor than its worth for anyone but a full time race team.

having done 95% of all my mods and labour & tuning
a few 6-8hours job isnt too bad .. ! hehe

but yeah I would need to study and see how doing it properly ! then start when I feel ready

indyn 01-30-2012 12:07 PM

didn't some of the members with FI and headers complain about no power gains because of exhaust cam and VVEL overlaps, these might help in getting back that power.

But here's a thought, aftermarket intake cams already exist for the previous gen VQ's, why not make the VVEL run to the similar the specs of those cams??

HKYStormFront 01-30-2012 01:35 PM

i looked under cwis' hood yesterday and sure enough, no cam phasers on the exhaust cam. sorry about the confusion. i'm guessing that since the cam phasing is done with oil pressure that along with VVEL, it was too much heat for reliability? not sure on that one. obviously the VVEL system's gains are more important than the limited ability of one cam phaser

theDreamer 01-30-2012 04:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by indyn (Post 1516529)
didn't some of the members with FI and headers complain about no power gains because of exhaust cam and VVEL overlaps, these might help in getting back that power.

But here's a thought, aftermarket intake cams already exist for the previous gen VQ's, why not make the VVEL run to the similar the specs of those cams??

The lose of power was the top end, basically the top 500RPM, the rest of the power band showed an increase.
Now, will this give back that little boost on the top end? I am not sure, I have not done enough research on VVEL and how the system controls and modulates it control.

XwChriswX 01-30-2012 10:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by indyn (Post 1516529)
didn't some of the members with FI and headers complain about no power gains because of exhaust cam and VVEL overlaps, these might help in getting back that power.

But here's a thought, aftermarket intake cams already exist for the previous gen VQ's, why not make the VVEL run to the similar the specs of those cams??


FI Headers lean out your A/F pre-tune so people lose power. But after being tuned to that mod, you regain your power back.

1slow370 01-31-2012 03:52 AM

he meant forced induction and headers i.e. gtm supercharger plus longtubes. these might be a worthwhile mod for that purpose next guy getting sam to install a kit with headers should grab these and have them done at the same time, that why the guys at gtm could do the experimenting faster and everyone with a kit would know what to set them to so it only has to be done once.

theDreamer 01-31-2012 10:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 1slow370 (Post 1517911)
he meant forced induction and headers i.e. gtm supercharger plus longtubes. these might be a worthwhile mod for that purpose next guy getting sam to install a kit with headers should grab these and have them done at the same time, that why the guys at gtm could do the experimenting faster and everyone with a kit would know what to set them to so it only has to be done once.

It has been done, I tested it for GTM.
I ended up a few HP less on the top end, same as when I was NA with bolt ons, but also saw better HP/TQ throughout the power band. Also, my car was running in 100° weather.

indyn 01-31-2012 11:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by theDreamer (Post 1518159)
It has been done, I tested it for GTM.
I ended up a few HP less on the top end, same as when I was NA with bolt ons, but also saw better HP/TQ throughout the power band. Also, my car was running in 100° weather.

I think 1slow370 meant supercharger, LTH and cam gears. And Mike@GTM also commented about higher power gains on a GTM supercharger kit on a non-VVEL VQ engine because they have full control on the cams and overlap;http://www.the370z.com/forced-induct...tml#post963062

1slow370 01-31-2012 08:30 PM

yeah dreamer go get some longtubes and the cam gears and go back to sam

theDreamer 01-31-2012 09:27 PM

Eh, I want to see some NA results first before I jump on this.
I will see if Sam has any info on these and if he is willing to do some internal testing.


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