If you track or do anything outside of minor spirited driving an aftermarket is better. If you don't??? Then why in the hell did you buy 34 row cooler? A 19 row would have been more than sufficient. Shoot you might've gotten away with a 9row and saved yourself some Real cash.

If you read somehwre in page one I wrote the I had asked the head of my service dept. They said its not retrofitable nor will they warranty a retrofit it were attempted and successful. Under his claims the plumbing was changed in order to add this minimalistic oil cooler. Obviously it isn't as good as it should be for enthusiasts so they can sell the NISMO 34 row part to enthusiasts. Now they make more money because now the original cooler has to be removed and its probably a highly complex job??? Nissan is smart at jerkin'da custies. Lol. If you're an enthusiast? Get an 11 and earlier and add your own. If you are a casual Z lover or are just buying the next new thing for bling or swagg or whatever? Get the 12. Personally, I think the 09 Suspension was brolic n kicks my 11 suspensions ***. My 09 felt more pure in the handling dept. even though the 11 still feels incredible, Nissan nailed it year one and the baby complainers made them soften the suspension. Lil girlie men!!!!!! Seriously, some Z owners need Hanz and Franz to "pump them up". Lmfao.

The so called Nismo cooler wasn't even designed by the Japanese Nismo division. It was designed by Nissan Motorsports in America. It uses a standard 34r Setrab core with SS lines and a generic sandwich adapter, the same basic thing you can get with most aftermarket kits! There is nothing special about it. Get over that. The so called "enthusiasts" who buy them know nothing about car mods, they just simply get it to chase after the names. It's no different than buying a Maserati even though it is a big piece of poop. I don't know what's worse, the Nismo fanboys or the Mugen lovers.

Careful now ... some of us love all things Italian. And truthfully, Maserati's are really not that big! :icon17:

So wait, this would cost $400+?

Screw that.

Nah I'm big on canyon runs and am planning to track hence the 34 row but I was thrown off earlier in the thread when people mentioned that the water cooler would be better than air cooled. Looking back I somewhat misunderstood. Still happy with my decision on the GTM 34 row :tup:

i can almost see someone putting co2/nawz sprayers onto their oil coolers. :facepalm:

Just thinking about this...what is the average coolant temp? Isn't using hot coolant to cool hot oil somewhat less efficient than using much cooler air, despite coolants much larger heat capacity? Based on that I am thinking that these can't outperform an aftermarket radiator style cooler, but still a nice additional feature for sure.

This has been discussed ad nauseam. Jordo and myself both have posts detailing the pros and cons of different cooling methods.

I suspect this cooler will be more than sufficient for most use, even for light track duty....but we will see.

Links please.

Lol @ upside down reading :icon17:

Sorry I am used to presenting numbers this way. Just sign here sir.

Why of course Mr. Panda sir. :tiphat:

That seems like a lot of tubing for an oil cooler.

Good thing I'm reading this on my iPad and I can just turn it around lol

does anybody know how many hours in labor a Nissan dealership would charge to put on of these on?

Nissan took 5hrs to get my 34row Nissan Motorsports Cooler on.

:eek:

^right? It isn't that hard to install it. I didn't have the time. I later added the Sandiwch Plate adapter and hoses from z1. Also added a plate over the cooler with holes drilled in it to help regulate the oil temp being that it is winter and the oil was runnin in the 150's. Im happy with the kit. IF people are looking at trying to route the oil cooler through the radiator they will end up burning coolant. My 2 cents

yea definitely didn't need 34 row for DD. the OEM 300zx TT oil cooler is very sufficient, my temps never get past like 190 in normal driving and i think the OEM oil cooler is like 4 row or 9 row i forget....

ok well i can say that 350z's had this same style of cooler they actually took it off for the 370's and now it's back, funny how oil problems come and go with things like that. it is just coolant supply and draw to the adapter, retrofitting it you could tee it from wherever you want so long as one is supply and one is draw and you aren't an idiot about where you run the hoses. the oil flows over a coolant tube in the adapter plate that cools it all the lines supply is coolant no oil leaves the plate. all you would need is the plate and the bolt and some coolant line a a couple tee's and clamps

Edit: i get $254 for the cooler, and $30 for other parts if you don't need it all to be factory oh and lets not forget unless you blow a ring gasket there is 0 chance of massive oil leaks from a water -oil cooler because there are no lines

I guess the big question is... Does it work? One guy on another thread said it does not but he was running in the engine so...

Yeah, that was me. I am now at 1000 miles and just had my first oil change and I am still seeing very high temps for even moderate driving around town--220+. Nothing actually overheating, but there is no way that this OEM cooler is up to the challenge of FI or track days.

it should run around 220 question is how far over does it go when you beat on it. coolant temps are around 190-200 when warmed up

Beat on it and report back please about how high temps get. :tup:

Really, is 220 the norm? If so, then I am not getting too far above that. I think highest I have seen was spirited driving at around 600 miles and about 240-250. Since my first oil change, I think the highest I have seen is 230. I wish my gauges had the max recall feature like my old Defi gauges!

Keep us posted as your engine wears in.

I have this from factory on my 08 G35 HR sedan.
It comes STOCK on all G35's, G37's, 350Z's and 370Z's of ALL years in the GCC as well as Australia.

The HR and VHR have two passages for coolant circulation. G/Z's without this cooler have the passages blocked (A block off plate is used on the lower passage under Bank 1 exhaust manifold, and the heater pipe installed on the second passage consists of 2 pipes instead of 3).


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v2...terpipe2-2.jpg


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v2...aterpipe-1.jpg


Now, cars that have this cooler pre-installed have a pipe instead of a block off plate and a different upper pipe with 3 exits instead of 2.

There is also a bunch of smaller pipes and hoses leading all the way to the sandwich adapter in front of the engine block as shown below in the circled area.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v2...rontright2.jpg


As far as cooling efficiency, it's crap. Don't waste your money on it. In fact if you have it, I suggest you remove all of this junk and get a proper 19/25/34 row Setrab cooler. Average coolant temps on our cars are only a little less than oil temps, therefore not much actual cooling will be seen when you introduce hot oil to slightly cooler coolant and in such a small area where heat is allowed to transfer.
Furthermore, there is no way you can install the lower pipe without removing the driver's side header, which as we all know is a pain in the *** and will take a lot of time and $$ to do.

Note: I took those pics off the net, credit goes to the owner not me.

So, hold on one second, does this cooler come in all 2012 models including base one, or has to be purchased?

I have a 2012 7at. I have not tracked it and not sure if I will. It's my dd but I have never seen the temp go more than 190-200 tops, even when I run her hard for a sustained period of time on I-95 or reg streets when some punk kid try's to challenge me because daddy got him a camaro (maybe they don't know how to drive) but its funny watching them fall way behind. I live in S. Fl and we haven't had a winter this year so ambient temps are usually low to mid 80s. I'm not a gear head at all but did read all the oil temp issues earlier models have had but like I said with my 12 I have had no issues what so ever

I've got a base 6mt and highest so far has been 200. Ambient temp has been 76 at night and 90+ during the day. Car is in break in period still so haven't really pushed it.

at fontana speed way on Sunday my 2012 pushed to 260 deg temp!!!! It was around maybe 60's ? Running WAY too hot. I will order a 34 row cooler soon.

Traffic on the freeway I can get the car up to 220 ......

Me too!

^^ that's way too hot! So the lesson here, if you drive normally and don't want to use the car at the track the you're set with the new water-oil cooler. Then again, those you DD and don't track were fine before without an oil cooler as well. So this kind of changes nothing.

yeah, oil cooler is garbage........... I need to order a 34 row now trying to find the best price....

hey martin i'd go with z1. Reasonable priced and great quality. I got mine from nissan north america but it didn't have the thermostatic plate. I ended up buying the adapter from gtm motorsports and bought the hoses from z1. They have great customer service there. If you don't do serious canyon carving or tracking then the 25 row would be great. The 34 is nice, but I had to make a blockoff plate for mine to maintain a warm temp. My 2cents worth

call Lou @ Amplified, he got me my GTM 34 row for a great price and very professional install. He's local to you too.

Thanks for the reply, I track my car hard! Bought it end of Nov and already have 6 track days. One good thing about a 2012 is that the coolant will heat up the oil faster at least and I can just use a blockoff plate and take it off at the track

An aftermarket air oil cooler can be installed at home by anyone who does their own oil changes. My buddy and I did it at home and didn't even have to take off the front bumper. Just saying, for those DIYers.