Pulley Issues!!

Jordo!

I'd like to add that the harmonics remain undampened regardless of a smooth install and regardless of whether the pulley is OEM diameter or underdrives...

If you want an aftermarket pulley with a damper...

Fluidampr® Harmonic Dampers Made in U.S.A.

Nothing against NST -- they make great stuff, and I have bought supercharger pulleys from them before that fit perfectly and worked great. They make excellent products.

This is simply an engineering issue... undampened harmonics put more stress on the crank -- period. Whether or not that matters (or at least the extent to which matters) for our application is, I think, unclear.

I think GTM Sam's commentary was spot on in the 600 whp SC thread, and everyone considering an aftermarket crank pulley should read it and think on that before buying.

But again, I try to err on the side of caution...

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NYBladeZ

everyone I've spoken to about pullies says that the damage is in the long run. By replacing the pullies you tweak the engines harmonic balancer which in the long run will be trouble. I've heard it from enough guys to stay away from it but if you aren't planning on keeping your car for a long time it shouldn't hurt.

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indyn

its all about the installation, if there is a leak then most likely it wasn't installed right. Get it done once and get it done right, if the mechanic hasn't done it before then don't take the risk. Most of the dealers do it and its a 1.5 hour job at most. Get the crankshaft seal replaced at the same time and that should avoid any oil leak issues.
About the pulley being a harmonic balancer, wasn't it discussed that for this engine it was internally balanced !!!

wstar

Well, there's a lot of confusion on this issue about vibrations, dampening, and external vs internal balancing. I can't settle the matter for our engine, but I can clear a few things up to put the debate more on-point: Yes, our engine is "internally balanced", and that has virtually nothing to do with the debate about the pulleys.

An externally balanced engine means there's actually an asymmetrical counterweight system on the pulley, which balances against the otherwise-imbalanced crankshaft. You will definitely destroy an engine if you were to slap a random symmetrical pulley onto such an engine. Because our engine is internally balanced, there's no specific need for a balancing component on the pulley. The pulley itself is expected to have neutral balance (even weight distribution).

Even with an internally-balanced design like ours, the stock pulley includes a (neutrally-balanced) dampening ring to reduce vibrations. The debate is about whether replacing the stock pulley (poorly machined, crappy metal, with a dampener) with an aftermarket one (much lighter, machined to better tolerances, no dampener) is going to cause long term damage due to increased vibration.

On the "stock" side of the debate is the idea that the stock dampener serves to quiet important harmonic vibrations at specific RPMs, and that without it the engine will slowly tear itself apart (slowly wear out crankshaft bearings at the very least). On the "aftermarket" side of the debate is the idea that the (a) whatever vibrations the stock pulley dampens are relatively trivial and mostly about reducing engine noise heard by the user, and won't cause engine damage, and (b) the more-precisely machined aftermarket pulley is better-balanced to begin with.

There's little doubt that as you push an engine further beyond its design boundaries, you need to be more precise about balance and vibrational issues in general. The tricky question is whether our engine in basically-stock form needs that NVH ring for long-term health or not.

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