Waiting to Inhale VQ37VHR tuning /modablity

Red__Zed · 08-31-2011, 01:55 PM

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Originally Posted by red6spd

Its pointless to explain to him. According to him the Z can only compete with I guess Miatas, Civic SI, Sentra SpecV cars like that I guess.

Get out there and do it if it can be done.

Methodical4u · 08-31-2011, 02:37 PM

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Right, but stock classing is based off of keeping stock rims, and shoving on a huge tire--no one does that. The wrx moves up favorably with more tire, which bumps it to decent b stock times. The nismo puts down similar times to a wrx running 265s while it is running 295+.

Yes I realize that and trust me, I was quite close to getting a WRX, but it doesn't come with 265's. We're getting away from a stock for stock car again.

I don't have all of the stats for either car. The weight distribution for the Z says 53/47 which seems pretty good... I don't know how good or bad that is... I never cared much. The Z (and i'm talking about the standard or sport model Z) that is labelled a CS car is still stock for stock ahead of the WRX according to the SCCA ratings... but since you yourself have said that your WRX has been ahead of Z's by "1-2 seconds" it would appear that their way of classing cars is flawed and that the WRX should be in at least CS correct?

Now if we want to start talking modding... the WRX is likely going to have an advantage because of the turbo and tuning and such (now getting back on topic) it can get more power out of a tune. The WRX guys themselves have told me that once that car gets to 350-400 whp that the tranny will have to be upgraded or replaced to handle that power... and while some say it's different, other suby guys have told me that's not the case and that the drivetrain is still weak and again... I haven't done the research, but this is just what was told to me and this was on the Subaru forums. Either way, there are more parts for the WRX than the Z... pretty obvious why.

I can only go by my own personal experience... I have seen Evo's on track overtake GT-R's and been close to top of the line Vette's... but this is also pretty highly modded. Then you also have the video of the lamborghini murcielago that was pretty easily overtaken by a FQ-400 Evo... and while those are modded, that's not 400 whp as far as I know that's bhp... yet the Lamborghini has much better power and common sense would tell most people that it doesn't make sense for a 4 door sedan to be able to overtake one of those cars with the power output and such.

AWD is my answer. IMHO if you put the WRX in a RWD platform it wouldn't be near what it is now. It also has the symmetrical system and this (take from Subaru's website) "Side-to-side balance, along with a compact layout and lower centre of gravity help give the vehicle greater stability. What's more, the system instantly reapportions the engine's torque between the front and rear wheels as conditions demand, providing powerful traction for more capable performance on any road."

That's not exactly comparing apples to apples here IMO. You still have a computer controlled car in a stock vs stock situation. Many of us have bought the 370z because it's a drivers car... the driver is responsible for the work and for the stability of the car.

Red__Zed · 08-31-2011, 02:42 PM

Ugh. Stock class isn't stock. That's the whole point. Z's with stock tires compete with wrx's with stock tires (in numbers, not class). The class is based on how the car does with the mild stock class mods.

Beyond that, it makes more sense to pay attention to a change in class than absolute class...

red6spd · 08-31-2011, 03:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Red__Zed

Get out there and do it if it can be done.

Its not that easy for me to pack up and jump onto a track. There all about 100+ miles away. But I will one day and I will probably suck at it and get killed by a Miata because I have no track experience. What are you trying to prove by saying "go out there and do it" The Nismo was over 4 seconds faster around VIR then the WRX, say what you want about Mag test but that is a fact. It was also faster then the current STI.

Red__Zed · 08-31-2011, 03:30 PM

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Its not that easy for me to pack up and jump onto a track. There all about 100+ miles away. But I will one day and I will probably suck at it and get killed by a Miata because I have no track experience. What are you trying to prove by saying "go out there and do it" The Nismo was over 4 seconds faster around VIR then the WRX, say what you want about Mag test but that is a fact. It was also faster then the current STI.

There's a weekly autocross probably within 10 miles of you.

VIR is not a track I would use to evaluate performance. At all.

It's a fun track, but not at all indicative of how a car will do on most tracks--and it heavily favors the nismo. Stock for stock, i would pick the nismo for VIR. I'd go with the Sti for pretty much everything else that comes to mind

red6spd · 08-31-2011, 03:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Red__Zed

There's a weekly autocross probably within 10 miles of you.

VIR is not a track I would use to evaluate performance. At all.

It's a fun track, but not at all indicative of how a car will do on most tracks--and it heavily favors the nismo. Stock for stock, i would pick the nismo for VIR. I'd go with the Sti for pretty much everything else that comes to mind

Boy you have an answear for everything. So an AutoX in a crappy tore up parking lot would be a good way to evaluate cars? Just wondering? Cause thats the kind of AutoX events I have near me. VIR is a track correct? Cars go around it and race the clock correct? The Z was faster then the WRX and the STI correct? Why does VIR favor the Nismo?

Cmike2780 · 08-31-2011, 04:25 PM

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Boy you have an answear for everything. So an AutoX in a crappy tore up parking lot would be a good way to evaluate cars? Just wondering? Cause thats the kind of AutoX events I have near me. VIR is a track correct? Cars go around it and race the clock correct? The Z was faster then the WRX and the STI correct? Why does VIR favor the Nismo?

I'm shure he'll come up with something. I think all his discussions always become heated because he's old.

Methodical4u · 08-31-2011, 04:46 PM

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I'm shure he'll come up with something. I think all his discussions always become heater because he's old.

go easy on the old guys... i'm gonna be 33 in 8 days lol

Methodical4u · 08-31-2011, 05:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Red__Zed

Ugh. Stock class isn't stock. That's the whole point. Z's with stock tires compete with wrx's with stock tires (in numbers, not class). The class is based on how the car does with the mild stock class mods.

Beyond that, it makes more sense to pay attention to a change in class than absolute class...

I understand what you are saying, but what I am saying is that the WRX (a car that I like a lot) stock for stock is not in fact in the same league as the 370... numbers show this. You can put down some magazine numbers and thats fine, but when you have one source and then another and then another it gets pretty hard to deny IMO anyway.

I also stand by the fact that the WRX still has much computer help from the SAWD system and even though based on stock the Z is still faster IMO, the fact remains that the WRX SHOULD be faster anyway... it's lighter and so the power can be very consistant during corning ... no wheelspin, the torque is always being distributed to optimize speed and therefore lap times.

Either way, fun debate, we should just start a thread on this.

red6spd · 08-31-2011, 05:10 PM

Red_Zed is in his 20's, he is not old.

Methodical4u · 08-31-2011, 05:19 PM

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Originally Posted by red6spd

Red_Zed is in his 20's, he is not old.

ouch... so since i'm in my 30's I am !!!!

red6spd · 08-31-2011, 05:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Methodical4u

ouch... so since i'm in my 30's I am !!!!

LOL, y? He called you old?

Methodical4u · 08-31-2011, 05:22 PM

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Originally Posted by red6spd

LOL, y? He called you old?

no... you said that he wasn't old... he's in his 20's lol

red6spd · 08-31-2011, 05:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Methodical4u

no... you said that he wasn't old... he's in his 20's lol

Oh, you did the little guy with question marks on top so I thought you where asking a question LOL.

FL 4Motion · 08-31-2011, 06:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Methodical4u

go easy on the old guys... i'm gonna be 33 in 8 days lol

/\ if it makes you feel better, I'm older than you.

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Red__Zed A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: window seat Posts: 28,940 Drives: Mostly on two wheels Rep Power: 120	Ugh. Stock class isn't stock. That's the whole point. Z's with stock tires compete with wrx's with stock tires (in numbers, not class). The class is based on how the car does with the mild stock class mods. Beyond that, it makes more sense to pay attention to a change in class than absolute class...