Waiting to Inhale VQ37VHR tuning /modablity

Red__Zed · 08-30-2011, 01:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Methodical4u

I will ask this question and this is not at all to down anyone... but how many here actually have driven or own a 12 second car? The fastest 1/4 time we have NA on here is 12.24 I believe and that is with all bolt ons and 4.08 gears ... as far as I know anyway.

Let me say this... 12.24 is a GOOD time.. and it is a FAST car. Think about it. People talk about these new mustangs and such and yes they are very impressive cars with great times. They run a 12.2 or so correct? Think about how much HP it needs to get to that point because of weight. I was just out running some errands and with just my ART pipes i'm VERY happy with my car... it's a real joy to drive IMO.

Anyway, a lot of people will claim to have been in this car or that one, but ultimately some are lying and again... where is the cut off? The car as of now NA won't make 400 whp... so the hell what? If it would make 400, you'd want 425, and then 450 and so on... it's the way we are as men lol.

I've never actually owned a 12 second car.

I have owned a couple of cars that make 12 second cars look laughably slow. I've broken into the 9s on two different platforms.

Deadman · 08-30-2011, 01:15 PM

I owned a 12 sec speed6 and owned a 04 kaw 636 ( 10 sec bike ) so for me no car really feels fast unless your like red and have owned cars that go 9s Haha

As methodical said though , overall drivability I have a blast with this car ! To kno it can go 12s bolted is enough for me .. for now ! Muhah

Methodical4u · 08-30-2011, 01:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Red__Zed

I've never actually owned a 12 second car.

I have owned a couple of cars that make 12 second cars look laughably slow. I've broken into the 9s on two different platforms.

Well, I congratulate you on that, but for most of us who don't live our lives a quarter of a mile at a time, low 12's should be fine.

Methodical4u · 08-30-2011, 01:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Deadman

I owned a 12 sec speed6 and owned a 04 kaw 636 ( 10 sec bike ) so for me no car really feels fast unless your like red and have owned cars that go 9s Haha

We're talking cars... not bikes, and I guess this issue is getting off topic. Yes, I am happy with the engine... I think for an NA V6 and being the fastest stock Z in it's history, it's a nice set-up... if others aren't happy with theirs... they should sell it... pretty simple IMHO.

Red__Zed · 08-30-2011, 01:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Methodical4u

Well, I congratulate you on that, but for most of us who don't live our lives a quarter of a mile at a time, low 12's should be fine.

It's not about et's, I agree. Just posted in response to your challenge.

Most of us don't even need 12 second cars. For pure driving pleasure, it's about balance rather than power...

I have no beef with the z power levels, i am frustrated by the fact that it doesnt know what it is. A smoother engine in a car with better balance would be perfect, or an engine with more potential in the current layout would be cool too. As it is, balance is off for track, and you can't crank enough power out to make it a burner. It does look effing sexy tho

Methodical4u · 08-30-2011, 01:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Red__Zed

It's not about et's, I agree. Just posted in response to your challenge.

Most of us don't even need 12 second cars. For pure driving pleasure, it's about balance rather than power...

I have no beef with the z power levels, i am frustrated by the fact that it doesnt know what it is. A smoother engine in a car with better balance would be perfect, or an engine with more potential in the current layout would be cool too. As it is, balance is off for track, and you can't crank enough power out to make it a burner. It does look effing sexy tho

Ok, well i'll agree there. I feel like the car is pretty balanced myself... granted I haven't had it on a track so I can't say completely. Another engine option would have always been a nice choice... but I think it just all came down to cost, you have to cut some here and there so you can add in other areas.

I think of my Evo's... I loved them! They were so much fun, they would take a beating and just kept on going... but for a 30k+ car to have an interior SOOO incredibly cheap was just amazing to me... when you buy an Evo you are paying for the drivetrain suspension and brakes... you sure aren't paying for comfort. Then I look at the GTI that has a top notch interior... though I don't get the plaid seats? Maybe some really like it. Either way though it's an excellent all around car.

The Z is a step above that... stock for stock it will hang with a new Evo or STI. No, it doesn't have the modding ability, but here again... I got the Z purposely because the only way to get huge power was to go F.I. in which you're talking at least 5k... which I knew I wouldn't spend because i'm getting married and I need the money. I can afford smaller mods here and there and once all of the NA bolt on's are on... that will be enough for me and they are all easy to take off, put back to stock and sell, though I don't plan on getting rid of this car for a lonnnng time.

pyrrhus17 · 08-30-2011, 02:17 PM

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Originally Posted by theDreamer

Really, you need 2k to track this car? Hardly, 500 for an oil cooler and around 100 bucks for better fluid & pads and you are good to go for the average driver.
Now if you want something you are going to be competing against gutted cars, then yes you are going to be dropping some money to do it.

The Z is 'cheap' for what you get, you can compete out of the box with cars slightly above our price bracket, did not say win but compete. And comparing it to a 240sx is just ridiculous, that was way down the list in its time period compared to the Z.

The price of a 300zx TT in 1991 was 34k and comparing with inflation and adjusting for today you are pushing just over 50k for the same car.

Well I think your going to be closer to 1k without a radiator pads are over 100 buck so is fluid , Where I live in the summer its above 85 closer to 90 f hence the radiator and I want to track at least once a month in the summer . Brakes are also a must they at least need to be vented .my point about the 240 was that is was cheap and takes mods better than the 370z Thats it . I love the car really I just wish it wasn't driving in town watching my oil temp rise to 240f on a regular basis .

Red__Zed · 08-30-2011, 02:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Methodical4u

Ok, well i'll agree there. I feel like the car is pretty balanced myself... granted I haven't had it on a track so I can't say completely. Another engine option would have always been a nice choice... but I think it just all came down to cost, you have to cut some here and there so you can add in other areas.

I think of my Evo's... I loved them! They were so much fun, they would take a beating and just kept on going... but for a 30k+ car to have an interior SOOO incredibly cheap was just amazing to me... when you buy an Evo you are paying for the drivetrain suspension and brakes... you sure aren't paying for comfort. Then I look at the GTI that has a top notch interior... though I don't get the plaid seats? Maybe some really like it. Either way though it's an excellent all around car.

The Z is a step above that... stock for stock it will hang with a new Evo or STI. No, it doesn't have the modding ability, but here again... I got the Z purposely because the only way to get huge power was to go F.I. in which you're talking at least 5k... which I knew I wouldn't spend because i'm getting married and I need the money. I can afford smaller mods here and there and once all of the NA bolt on's are on... that will be enough for me and they are all easy to take off, put back to stock and sell, though I don't plan on getting rid of this car for a lonnnng time.

Coming from AWD, it makes sense that the z feels balanced. Give it time.

It's a mistake to say the z hangs with stock sti's and Evo's though...there's a reason the z got dropped to c stock.

theDreamer · 08-30-2011, 02:26 PM

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Originally Posted by pyrrhus17

Well I think your going to be closer to 1k without a radiator pads are over 100 buck so is fluid , Where I live in the summer its above 85 closer to 90 f hence the radiator and I want to track at least once a month in the summer . Brakes are also a must they at least need to be vented .my point about the 240 was that is was cheap and takes mods better than the 370z Thats it . I love the car really I just wish it wasn't driving in town watching my oil temp rise to 240f on a regular basis .

Who told you a radiator is needed?
We have guys running in Texas the past few weeks with stock radiator in 105+ temps with no problem. Look around you can get your fluid & pads for around 100 bucks, 150-200 if you just buy the first link that pops up.

The 240 was cheap because it was a cheap car from factory. Also, are you talking about the KA motor? It is decent at best, one of the main reasons engine swaps from day 1 were so common with that car.

Red__Zed · 08-30-2011, 02:28 PM

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Originally Posted by theDreamer

Who told you a radiator is needed?
We have guys running in Texas the past few weeks with stock radiator in 105+ temps with no problem. Look around you can get your fluid & pads for around 100 bucks, 150-200 if you just buy the first link that pops up.

The 240 was cheap because it was a cheap car from factory. Also, are you talking about the KA motor? It is decent at best, one of the main reasons engine swaps from day 1 were so common with that car.

Agreed. Coolant temps are pretty well controlled unless you seriously block airflow.

theDreamer · 08-30-2011, 02:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Red__Zed

Agreed. Coolant temps are pretty well controlled unless you seriously block airflow.

I prefer putting a metal plate over it then tracking, I like to challenge myself and ruin the car.

Red__Zed · 08-30-2011, 02:43 PM

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Originally Posted by theDreamer

I prefer putting a metal plate over it then tracking, I like to challenge myself and ruin the car.

A lot of the people that install bigger oil coolers have created airflow issues.

red6spd · 08-30-2011, 03:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Red__Zed

Coming from AWD, it makes sense that the z feels balanced. Give it time.

It's a mistake to say the z hangs with stock sti's and Evo's though...there's a reason the z got dropped to c stock.

What do you mean its a mistake? The 370 would be right next to both of those cars if not beat them stock for stock.

Red__Zed · 08-30-2011, 03:38 PM

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Originally Posted by red6spd

What do you mean its a mistake? The 370 would be right next to both of those cars if not beat them stock for stock.

Right, that's why they moved the z to c stock

red6spd · 08-30-2011, 03:40 PM

What is "c stock"

08-30-2011, 01:15 PM	#47 (permalink)
Deadman Base Member Join Date: May 2011 Location: Ohio Posts: 177 Drives: 2011 370z Base+S 6MT Rep Power: 14	I owned a 12 sec speed6 and owned a 04 kaw 636 ( 10 sec bike ) so for me no car really feels fast unless your like red and have owned cars that go 9s Haha As methodical said though , overall drivability I have a blast with this car ! To kno it can go 12s bolted is enough for me .. for now ! Muhah Last edited by Deadman; 08-30-2011 at 01:18 PM.

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red6spd A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Long Island NY Posts: 3,277 Drives: 2010 Z Coupe M6 SPT Rep Power: 21	What is "c stock" __________________ 2010 Base+Sport 6spd: Stillen G3, FI Non-Resonated CBE, FI Non-Resonated Test Pipes, UpRev Tuned, Custom 24R Oil Cooler, JDM Rear Fog-OEM Harness. ???Whp ???WTQ (Will find out come spring time)

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