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Methodical4u · 08-30-2011, 04:09 PM

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Originally Posted by red6spd

What is "c stock"

yeah... i'm not picking up on that one either

theDreamer · 08-30-2011, 04:10 PM

C stock is the level the 370z competes in out of the box.
It is a lower class compared to some other cars it 'should' compete against, basically it is an insult sort of.

Red__Zed · 08-30-2011, 04:16 PM

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Originally Posted by theDreamer

C stock is the level the 370z competes in out of the box.
It is a lower class compared to some other cars it 'should' compete against, basically it is an insult sort of.

It was b stock, but it wasn't competitive. It barely competes in c stock. Nismo is still bs, but has some favorable things allowed (tirewise), still can't catch Evo's.

theDreamer · 08-30-2011, 04:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Red__Zed

It was b stock, but it wasn't competitive. It barely competes in c stock. Nismo is still bs, but has some favorable things allowed (tirewise), still can't catch Evo's.

Oh I know why it was downgraded, but it is a slap in the face that it had to be moved down because it could not compete out of the box.

fuct · 08-30-2011, 04:21 PM

Id still rather have a badass looking C class car, than a hideous 4 door grocery getting B class.

:P

Red__Zed · 08-30-2011, 04:23 PM

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Originally Posted by theDreamer

Oh I know why it was downgraded, but it is a slap in the face that it had to be moved down because it could not compete out of the box.

Roger. Clarification less intended at you and more to the guys who don't know what the classing means.

Cmike2780 · 08-30-2011, 04:37 PM

Just putting it out there and I'm a total noob when it comes to SCCA classification, but doesn't the driver play a big role. I would think the AWD cars are a bit easier to drive than the Z. I've seen RX-8's run in B-stock for example, which I know personally "feels" far easier to drive in the twisties that the 370z.

Red__Zed · 08-30-2011, 04:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Cmike2780

Just putting it out there and I'm a total noob when it comes to SCCA classification, but doesn't the driver play a big role. I would think the AWD cars are a bit easier to drive than the Z. I've seen RX-8's run in B-stock for example, which I know personally "feels" far easier to drive in the twisties that the 370z.

At the level they are classing them it is not really an issue. The class is usually done based on the performance with the competitive drivers behind the wheels. Guys like grant (shamu) helped keep the nismo classed in B due to a good showing. If it was about noob driving, the s wouldn't run b stock.

Methodical4u · 08-30-2011, 04:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Red__Zed

At the level they are classing them it is not really an issue. The class is usually done based on the performance with the competitive drivers behind the wheels. Guys like grant (shamu) helped keep the nismo classed in B due to a good showing. If it was about noob driving, the s wouldn't run b stock.

why did you even buy one? lol

Cmike2780 · 08-30-2011, 05:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Red__Zed

At the level they are classing them it is not really an issue. The class is usually done based on the performance with the competitive drivers behind the wheels. Guys like grant (shamu) helped keep the nismo classed in B due to a good showing. If it was about noob driving, the s wouldn't run b stock.

Is it it safe to assume that there is that much of a difference between a stock Nismo and non-Nismo then... or could guys like Grant push a non-Nismo up to B. How much of a difference are we takling about?

Not trying to start an argument or anything, just curious.

Red__Zed · 08-30-2011, 05:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Cmike2780

Is it it safe to assume that there is that much of a difference between a stock Nismo and non-Nismo then... or could guys like Grant push a non-Nismo up to B. How much of a difference are we takling about?

Not trying to start an argument or anything, just curious.

Like I said, there were some things that worked out favorably for the nismo as well in terms of the tires they were able to run, etc. His niz had a lot more $$ in it than many Evo's as well.

Hard to say for sure. My guess would be he could probably get close to the nismo level, but he was still a bit off from the Evo's. I don't think it can really be competitive there right now.

AlphaSnacks · 08-30-2011, 05:09 PM

Regarding the whole braking issue: Car and Driver didn't crash because the car they had was abused. If that was the case, half of the cars they track would've been crashed too. Nissan issued a statement saying that the Akebonos come equipped with a standard street brake pad that does an adequate job of stopping the car with minimal amounts of brake dust - purely a consumer influenced decision. Stopping distances of 100 ft were recorded by numerous publishers, and that's actually superb - Porsche levels right there. Nissan added that if buyers wanted a high-temp fade-resistant pad they could spend $600 on the optional Nismo pads. Then people on the iterwabz were like "why didn't they just include that pad stock?" Because, they dust like all sorts of hell.

I have them on my car (they came with it, I didn't order them). When you need to: they'll stop the car like you're hitting a brick wall. But my God, my wheels turn black after 20 miles of driving or one firm stop! I can't imagine owners liking that very much, at all. My 350Z kept its wheels clean for as long as a week on the OEM pads.

Red__Zed · 08-30-2011, 05:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Methodical4u

why did you even buy one? lol

Cuz this info wasn't around when I was shopping.

Besides, I didn't buy the car to compete. My Subaru does a far better job on most courses...the z is just for fun.

Methodical4u · 08-30-2011, 05:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Red__Zed

Cuz this info wasn't around when I was shopping.

Besides, I didn't buy the car to compete. My Subaru does a far better job on most courses...the z is just for fun.

so you are selling it now and going to buy....? Something else?

Red__Zed · 08-30-2011, 05:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Methodical4u

so you are selling it now and going to buy....? Something else?

Yes. Probably several somethings.

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theDreamer A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Texas Posts: 30,879 Drives: 370z Rep Power: 4210	C stock is the level the 370z competes in out of the box. It is a lower class compared to some other cars it 'should' compete against, basically it is an insult sort of. __________________ theDreamer's Z // Fast Intentions // Uprev // GTM // HKS // TEIN theDreamer's Silvia // URAS // GREDDY Houston Zs // Facebook // Twitter // Instagram

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Cmike2780 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Long Island Posts: 5,059 Drives: slowwww Rep Power: 29	Just putting it out there and I'm a total noob when it comes to SCCA classification, but doesn't the driver play a big role. I would think the AWD cars are a bit easier to drive than the Z. I've seen RX-8's run in B-stock for example, which I know personally "feels" far easier to drive in the twisties that the 370z. __________________ [09][MB][6-Spd MT][Touring][Stillen Gen III][K&N][Borla CBE][Evo-R] [ArchitTEK Photography]

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AlphaSnacks A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Windermere, FL Posts: 1,618 Drives: '13 XKR-S, '10 370Z Rep Power: 18	Regarding the whole braking issue: Car and Driver didn't crash because the car they had was abused. If that was the case, half of the cars they track would've been crashed too. Nissan issued a statement saying that the Akebonos come equipped with a standard street brake pad that does an adequate job of stopping the car with minimal amounts of brake dust - purely a consumer influenced decision. Stopping distances of 100 ft were recorded by numerous publishers, and that's actually superb - Porsche levels right there. Nissan added that if buyers wanted a high-temp fade-resistant pad they could spend $600 on the optional Nismo pads. Then people on the iterwabz were like "why didn't they just include that pad stock?" Because, they dust like all sorts of hell. I have them on my car (they came with it, I didn't order them). When you need to: they'll stop the car like you're hitting a brick wall. But my God, my wheels turn black after 20 miles of driving or one firm stop! I can't imagine owners liking that very much, at all. My 350Z kept its wheels clean for as long as a week on the OEM pads.