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ZForce 10-03-2009 07:27 PM

I have not seen any oil cooler on Nissan's spec sheet for the 2010 model as standard equipment.

Technik330 10-14-2009 11:11 AM

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Originally Posted by cjof2003 (Post 221144)
I went to my dealership yesterday evening and was looking at 370s. I asked the salesman if they sold the cooler and installed them since I'd want it done before I got the car. He had no idea about and said he'd ask his manager in their meeting the next morning (today.)

I just got an email, which isn't too clear, so i'll try to clarify and see if he is or isn't blowing smoke up my ***, but according to him, all of the 2010 370z have the oil cooler installed from the factory.

Bump for some more info on this-

ZForce 10-14-2009 09:22 PM

humm....still do not see an oil cooler on these specs for the 2010 model. So there ya go...NO OIL COOLER as standard equipment. :(

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D3Daddy 12-17-2009 09:25 PM

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Originally Posted by ChrisSlicks (Post 66093)
Nissan Motorsport parts are not covered by the factory warranty :mad:

I don't know if they will be making an exception in this case or if they will force us to wait for Nismo version (which will probably be identical).

Some of the Nissan Motorsports parts are. You have to be aware of which ones they are if you are concerned about your warranty.

Remember they can't VOID your warranty just because you have MODS, but they will make it a pain in the arse in getting a claim taken care of thru them...

check this out: Magnuson?Moss Warranty Act - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

AC Guy 05-21-2010 07:11 PM

Nissan Setrab oil cooler just installed by Nissan Dealership
 
I just had Cherry Hill Nissan of New Jersey install the Setrab oil cooler recommended by Nissan Motorsports. The parts manager (Brian) informed me that it would take 6-8 weeks to get the kit from Nissan Motorsports in Santa Monica. I have a track date in June (2 days at Millville's Thunderbolt course). Brian knew this date was important so I emailed him the link AK had for the Setrab oil cooler kit. Brian hustled and was able to get the oil cooler and the parts to install it. He didn't get the kit from Nissan Motorsports, but was confident that he was able to get all the parts to the puzzle. The chief mechanic (Bob), who works on the GT-Rs and the occasional Z, was on-board for this job. Bob is a track enthusiast and was eager to do this. This was the first oil cooler for this dealership. I picked up my car this afternoon. Bob had attached photos so that I could see the work, and he promised to make a CD of all the photos so that I could have for record and to share.

Cost was $1268.00 before sales tax. The cooler uses an additional 2 quarts of oil. I drove home in slow moving traffic, but was able to enjoy some "spirited" driving for about 40 minutes or so. Oil temp didn't budge higher than 180. The real test will be in a few weeks when I go to the track.

brickturtle 06-07-2010 02:38 PM

well my base 2010 z went into limp mode while stuck in traffic ..
it was about 86 dgreees and i noticed the temp hitting 250 ish...couldnt stop the car because of the trafffic and i started seeing smokes or vapor coming out from the hood
SES light came on then had to tow my car to the dealer
car currently is reading 3200miles... and service department called today saying
some fan module? was mal functioning.... i never tracked my car and occassionaly
or very rarely spirtedly drive....

Mike 06-07-2010 03:39 PM

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Originally Posted by brickturtle (Post 566853)
well my base 2010 z went into limp mode while stuck in traffic ..
it was about 86 dgreees and i noticed the temp hitting 250 ish...couldnt stop the car because of the trafffic and i started seeing smokes or vapor coming out from the hood
SES light came on then had to tow my car to the dealer
car currently is reading 3200miles... and service department called today saying
some fan module? was mal functioning.... i never tracked my car and occassionaly
or very rarely spirtedly drive....

sounds like you just had some bad luck. I'm sure they will take care of you though. The fuel pump went out on my wife's 3 month old Z4 the other day, stuff happens.

Endgame 06-07-2010 03:44 PM

I know I saw this somewhere before in another thread, but cannot find it now. What is the 'Danger Will Robison" zone for oil temp heat? 260?

XwChriswX 06-07-2010 04:02 PM

Mine just hit 220* for the first time today, I was sitting in the parking lot with the A/C running for about 20 mins... Thats the highest its ever been, including with highway driving... :tup:

Endgame 06-12-2010 06:22 PM

I have hit 220 just with a little spirited driving and no stop and go traffic.....

antennahead 06-12-2010 07:51 PM

It's hot here now, mid 90's ........... I hit 220 to 230 everyday.

D3Daddy 06-13-2010 12:12 PM

I had issue with high and varied oil temps before 1st oil change. I decided to go with Motul 300v Racing 5w-30 and my temps run more stable and have yet to exceed 225-230ish with high spirited driving out here in So Cal. I will probably go with an oil cooler when I have the $$$, just to be safe. We should all schedule a day and time to call Nissan and complain. Maybe that will get their attention???

ZForce 06-16-2010 01:46 AM

Danger Will Robinson heat zone is 260

Wish I had the $$ to buy AE Performances oil cooler.

Trips 06-16-2010 01:51 AM

About $700 for an GTM Comp Cooler installed.
a little less expensive than the AE Cooler.

Mt Tam I am 06-16-2010 01:34 PM

I finished break in this morning. At 220 degrees and 62 ambient, I finally got to rev up the car and drive spiritedly. Within three miles I was at 245 and slowed it down where it very slowly dropped back.

I just got off the phone with the dealership and ordered an oil cooler, Part Number: 21300-SS370 MSRP: $780 plus 4 hours labor $1300+. It should arrive in two or more weeks. This part will not void warrenty, so I will pay extra.

The only pleasent news was I 'll get a loaner for the day.

spearfish25 06-16-2010 01:50 PM

Don't waste your time complaining to Nissan and expecting a free solution. We all went through this last summer. I even have the number for the Nissan support rep for my area...not the most compassionate or helpful person.

If you're seeing high oil temps (over 230), just invest in a cooler. You can build your own and install it yourself for $300 or you can go the other extreme and have Nissan install the Nissan Motorsports cooler kit for $1300. Just realize that you have no warranty if the cooler malfunctions in any scenario (ie, there is no real benefit to having Nissan install it if you're capable of doing it alone).

ZForce 06-16-2010 02:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Triple's (Post 579122)
About $700 for an GTM Comp Cooler installed.
a little less expensive than the AE Cooler.

Thx Triple's, I had seen their oil filter when it came out, heard nothing after that. Most peeps were going with Stillen's, Modshack, or Nissan. Will have to do a search on the forum for any feedback on GTM. :tup:

spearfish25 06-16-2010 02:58 PM

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Originally Posted by ZForce (Post 579976)
Thx Triple's, I had seen their oil filter when it came out, heard nothing after that. Most peeps were going with Stillen's, Modshack, or Nissan. Will have to do a search on the forum for any feedback on GTM. :tup:

Oh, you'll find plenty on GTM's coolers. Like the fact that they had numerous lines explode and a few members had to replace their motors. Some people have noted that Sam at GTM has been very helpful and has fixed the problem, but he never replied to me when I emailed him.

I personally went the Modshack route but had a local hose company make some very overengineered hoses to avoid any blowout potential.

Endgame 06-16-2010 03:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Mt Tam I am (Post 579785)
I finished break in this morning. At 220 degrees and 62 ambient, I finally got to rev up the car and drive spiritedly. Within three miles I was at 245 and slowed it down where it very slowly dropped back.

I just got off the phone with the dealership and ordered an oil cooler, Part Number: 21300-SS370 MSRP: $780 plus 4 hours labor $1300+. It should arrive in two or more weeks. This part will not void warrenty, so I will pay extra.

The only pleasent news was I 'll get a loaner for the day.

Are you sure it will not void your warranty?? Did you get that in writing??

Modshack 06-16-2010 04:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Endgame (Post 580018)
Are you sure it will not void your warranty?? Did you get that in writing??


Ha ha! I would (but I doubt they will...)

Even Car and Driver had the "Factory" Nissan Motorsports cooler fittings fail... And this installed for the press cars!

Trips 06-16-2010 09:16 PM

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Originally Posted by spearfish25 (Post 579982)
Oh, you'll find plenty on GTM's coolers. Like the fact that they had numerous lines explode and a few members had to replace their motors. Some people have noted that Sam at GTM has been very helpful and has fixed the problem, but he never replied to me when I emailed him.

I personally went the Modshack route but had a local hose company make some very overengineered hoses to avoid any blowout potential.

Yes, the early coolers did have some bad hoses but they have corrected the issues. Mine are with the improved hoses and connections and have had no issues. :tiphat:

Josh@STILLEN 06-16-2010 10:32 PM

Quality components are crucial on something like a oil cooler kit. Failure = possible engine failure..

Which is why we use top quality components in our kits, SETRAB cores, Goodridge lines built to our specs, etc. And never had an issue.

The Nissan Motorsports Oil Cooler is not a warranty-covered item, it's clearly stated in all of its literature.

We have a great relationship with Nissan and Infiniti dealers, and quite a few of them have installed our oil coolers on cars as well.

ZForce 06-16-2010 10:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by spearfish25 (Post 579982)
Oh, you'll find plenty on GTM's coolers. Like the fact that they had numerous lines explode and a few members had to replace their motors. Some people have noted that Sam at GTM has been very helpful and has fixed the problem, but he never replied to me when I emailed him.

I personally went the Modshack route but had a local hose company make some very overengineered hoses to avoid any blowout potential.


Thanks for the info, saves me time on research, good to hear Sam at GTM has fixed the issue. Modshack route appears to be the route to save $$, but I am not the DYI guy. Now if Modshack was to to preassemble the kit and sell me one (two the be exact). I would even be willing to pay extra for the time to piece it together and assemble. That is when I have the $$ to spring for the cooler.

ZForce 06-16-2010 10:59 PM

Great to hear that Josh, I have been out of touch with the latest upgrades and cooler stuff. Stillen will still be on my list of cooler choices. :tup:

ZForce 06-16-2010 11:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Triple's (Post 580768)
Yes, the early coolers did have some bad hoses but they have corrected the issues. Mine are with the improved hoses and connections and have had no issues. :tiphat:

Good to hear that all the vendors are keeping up on any issues and correcting them ASAP. Good feedback..thx

Mt Tam I am 06-17-2010 10:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Endgame (Post 580018)
Are you sure it will not void your warranty?? Did you get that in writing??

They said yes. I will use a credit card to pay with, and if I do not get it in writing after it is installed I will simply contest the payment and use their voice mail recording as proof. In writing or it's free.

Modshack 06-17-2010 12:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Wally (Post 111207)
After asking the dealership to put this in writing they quickly backed down since the Nissan Oil Cooler is considered a nismo competition part and does not come with any type of warranty from Nissan. The dealer will only point towards you warranty manual which is vague on the issue. I also checked around with other dealerships with the same response. Dealers say that by putting on an oil cooler will not affect you warranty unless the oil cooler fails and causes the damage. (Which from a legal standpoint I understand that this is the case) From several talks with consumer affairs, by placing an oil cooler on the vehicle that they classify as a competition part that the car has been modified for competition use therefore having the potential to void your power train warranty however the did say that your radio would still be covered.

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Originally Posted by Mt Tam I am (Post 581581)
They said yes. I will use a credit card to pay with, and if I do not get it in writing after it is installed I will simply contest the payment and use their voice mail recording as proof. In writing or it's free.

Again, good luck on that. You may have high expectations as to what "Warranty" will cover and what a dealer will actually put in writing. According to Nissan, your overall warranty is not void with this install, but the part itself is not warrantied. If it fails and takes out an engine, I doubt Nissan will consider that a warranted item. Their position on this is: (Emphasis on the last paragraph)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nissan USA
The 370Z has an engine protection system that reduces peak engine speeds when the oil temperature exceeds recommended levels in order to protect against possible engine damage. Aggressive driving of the 370Z on a race track at sustained high engine speeds can cause increases in oil temperature and may activate this engine protection system. To avoid activation of this engine protection system and these reduced peak engine speeds, Nissan recommends an oil cooler be fitted to the 370Z before driving it on a race track. A Nissan Motorsports accessory oil cooler kit is available for customer purchase through authorized Nissan dealerships for race track use. The part number is 21300-SS370.

An oil cooler is not necessary for normal operation of the vehicle on public roads. The addition of an oil cooler would have raised the price of the car and potentially moved it out of the reach of some customers. Value has been a core principle of the Z car since the original 240Z and we choose to uphold this core principle by not adding additional costs that are unnecessary for normal use. For those individuals who choose to drive their vehicle on a race track, the oil cooler is available as an aftersales item.

The oil cooler is a Nissan Motorsports item and as such is sold without warranty, express or implied, unless expressly prohibited by law in which case the warranty provided is the minimum required by law. The installation of the Nissan Motorsports oil cooler does not, by itself, “void” the vehicle warranty. However any damage caused by the installation or use of this part is expressly excluded under the terms of the Nissan New Vehicle Limited warranty.

Mt Tam I am 06-18-2010 12:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Modshack (Post 581720)
Again, good luck on that. You may have high expectations as to what "Warranty" will cover and what a dealer will actually put in writing. According to Nissan, your overall warranty is not void with this install, but the part itself is not warrantied. If it fails and takes out an engine, I doubt Nissan will consider that a warranted item. Their position on this is: (Emphasis on the last paragraph)

I will limit my expectations. Thank you.

AC Guy 06-18-2010 04:21 AM

Last month I had the $1300 setrab oil cooler set up installed by Cherry Hill Nissan of NJ. I took my Z to the track for the first time this past October (before the oil cooler). Air temperature was in the low 70s then, and the oil temp went about 260 for my last two 20 minute runs at NJ Motorsports Park - Lightning course. No limp mode, thank goodness, and was able to drive home fine. It was nerve racking thinking the car was going to shut down at any moment. There was no way the car would make it back to the track without an oil cooler.

I took it to the track recently for 2 days with air temperature in the mid 80s. This time on the Thunderbolt at NJ Motorsports Park. Oil temp highs were around 200, maybe 210. Normal and spirited driving keeps it at 180. Long story short, this was the best first mod for me to do. I am pleased with it so far. The only thing remotely negative is that the outside air temp reads incorrectly high. Perhaps that thermometer is obstructed by the cooler. It isn't a big deal to me though.

D3Daddy 06-18-2010 06:25 PM

Oil Cooler
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Modshack (Post 581720)
Again, good luck on that. You may have high expectations as to what "Warranty" will cover and what a dealer will actually put in writing. According to Nissan, your overall warranty is not void with this install, but the part itself is not warrantied. If it fails and takes out an engine, I doubt Nissan will consider that a warranted item. Their position on this is: (Emphasis on the last paragraph)

Keep in mind guys that ANY and ALL mods are ammunition for the Dealerships and Nissan to give us Warranty roadblocks. I have owned vehicles that were bone stock and the Dealership tried to weasel their way outta doing any Warranty work!!!

Vegitto-kun 06-22-2010 06:53 AM

Seems like nissan europe(or just nissan benelux)

cant get these oil coolers, the GT-R technician called around and they cant get it. :shakes head:

Elia Cid 08-15-2010 03:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Josh@STILLEN (Post 580990)
Quality components are crucial on something like a oil cooler kit. Failure = possible engine failure..

Which is why we use top quality components in our kits, SETRAB cores, Goodridge lines built to our specs, etc. And never had an issue.

The Nissan Motorsports Oil Cooler is not a warranty-covered item, it's clearly stated in all of its literature.

We have a great relationship with Nissan and Infiniti dealers, and quite a few of them have installed our oil coolers on cars as well.

Hi, josh,
Have a few quick questions for you, as I will be ordering, tomorrow or the following day, your oil cooler kit. I'll be having my Nissan dealer do the install.
Race Version - 25 Row Core.
1. What is the book time on the install?
2. What is your warranty on this kit?
3. With the parts included in this kit, would it be possible to install it on the driver’s side instead of the passenger’s side?
4. Would it be possible to get updated instruction for the Race Version - 25 Row Core , oil cooler , install on your web site?

Thanks Josh ,:tup:
Alex

Josh@STILLEN 08-15-2010 10:57 PM

Hi Alex, thanks for the questions!

1. I'd have to check with my service manager on our quoted install time. I want to say 2 hours, but I'd have to verify.

2. We base the warranty off of the individual parts, I'd have to double check the SETRAB warranty on the core, as well as the Goodridge lines, but I can get that tomorrow (Sunday night)

3. It is absolutely possible to install it on the drivers side, we do it on the passenger in the instructions to accommodate all of the possible coolers, oil, trans and our power steering cooler.

4. Updated instructions? Not sure I understand.. unless it's missing, I'll look into that.

Josh

Elia Cid 08-16-2010 07:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Josh@STILLEN (Post 677276)
Hi Alex, thanks for the questions!

1. I'd have to check with my service manager on our quoted install time. I want to say 2 hours, but I'd have to verify.

2. We base the warranty off of the individual parts, I'd have to double check the SETRAB warranty on the core, as well as the Goodridge lines, but I can get that tomorrow (Sunday night)

3. It is absolutely possible to install it on the drivers side, we do it on the passenger in the instructions to accommodate all of the possible coolers, oil, trans and our power steering cooler.

4. Updated instructions? Not sure I understand.. unless it's missing, I'll look into that.

Josh

Josh,
I’m kinder hoping it's 2hrs, from my dealership. I recently ordered your wonderful G3 intakes from Max @ Stillen, I was lucky enough to get an early install date for the 18th at the dealership. It occurred to me that if I could get the oil cooler install at the same time, I could possibly save a little on the install since the front fascia would be off for the G3 intake installation .

I will be calling Max this morning , see if he can get me the Race Version - 25 Row Core kit, to me in Eastern PA before the 18th ?

Thanks for your quick response.
Alex

Mt Tam I am 09-22-2010 11:42 PM

What is the install time on the oil cooler.
 
I just spoke with the dealership which is now installing my new short block with a Nissan oil cooler Part Number: 21300-SS370. What is the install time on the oil cooler? The dealership just said that it is 8 hours and the fenders need to come off. Remember they already have the whole engine torn apart anyway. This seems so excessive. I was quoted 4 hours before the short block had to be replaced.

Josh@STILLEN 09-23-2010 12:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Mt Tam I am (Post 733083)
I just spoke with the dealership which is now installing my new short block with a Nissan oil cooler Part Number: 21300-SS370. What is the install time on the oil cooler? The dealership just said that it is 8 hours and the fenders need to come off. Remember they already have the whole engine torn apart anyway. This seems so excessive. I was quoted 4 hours before the short block had to be replaced.

We charge 2hrs labor.. no reason a dealership or anyone would quote higher than that.. there's nothing special about the Nissan oil cooler, outside of it's high cost. It's also not a warrantied item under the factory warranty, but a lot of dealers will treat the install with comfort in mind, just as they do with STILLEN products. Everything I've seen about the Nissan kit is a large SETRAB cooler and lines, seems like a quality kit, at a price premium.

If you mean they are telling you the side fenders literally need to be removed, that would be cause for concern. If they are working on replacing the engine, a lot will be removed already, but even if they didn't reduce the hourly time, 8 hours would literally be a tech working on installing just the oil cooler for the entire day.. you can do the math.

Mt Tam I am 09-23-2010 12:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Josh@STILLEN (Post 733137)
We charge 2hrs labor.. no reason a dealership or anyone would quote higher than that.. there's nothing special about the Nissan oil cooler, outside of it's high cost. It's also not a warrantied item under the factory warranty, but a lot of dealers will treat the install with comfort in mind, just as they do with STILLEN products. Everything I've seen about the Nissan kit is a large SETRAB cooler and lines, seems like a quality kit, at a price premium.

If you mean they are telling you the side fenders literally need to be removed, that would be cause for concern. If they are working on replacing the engine, a lot will be removed already, but even if they didn't reduce the hourly time, 8 hours would literally be a tech working on installing just the oil cooler for the entire day.. you can do the math.

Thank you for your lightening quick response. To appease me for an earlier mishap, we made a deal, I pay $780 MSRP for oil cooler he installs it at his cost. So why is he giving me all this rigamarole? I do not know.

ChrisSlicks 09-23-2010 07:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mt Tam I am (Post 733083)
I just spoke with the dealership which is now installing my new short block with a Nissan oil cooler Part Number: 21300-SS370. What is the install time on the oil cooler? The dealership just said that it is 8 hours and the fenders need to come off. Remember they already have the whole engine torn apart anyway. This seems so excessive. I was quoted 4 hours before the short block had to be replaced.

This oil cooler installs in the exact same way that all the others do. The nose comes off and it is installed in front of the radiator, adapter plate is installed on the oil filter fitting and lines are snaked through. It took me 2 hours to install mine and I was doing it on the ground with jack stands, and that is including removing the bumper and reinstalling it. They are already going to have the whole front end removed, bumper, radiator etc. to get the engine out so if it takes them more than 1 extra hour I would be amazed. I can understand them wanting to charge 2, but 4 is excessive and 8 is just stupid. Why on earth they would want to remove the fenders I have no idea, and I would be a little concerned if they know what they are doing. Maybe they are just trying to make it sound harder than it is so you'll think you're getting a deal?

spearfish25 09-23-2010 07:15 AM

With a premade kit that is designed to fit, you could have it installed in under 2 hours. Especially with a lift. I made mine from scratch which required making a bracket mid-process and it took MAX 4 hours from front fascia off to front fascia back on.

Hell, you could get the Stillen SC installed in 8 hours.

SoCal 370Z 09-23-2010 09:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mt Tam I am (Post 733083)
I just spoke with the dealership which is now installing my new short block with a Nissan oil cooler Part Number: 21300-SS370. What is the install time on the oil cooler? The dealership just said that it is 8 hours and the fenders need to come off. Remember they already have the whole engine torn apart anyway. This seems so excessive. I was quoted 4 hours before the short block had to be replaced.

Here's a link that actually show the factory kit parts: Nissan Motorsports Oil Cooler vs. Stillen Oil Cooler


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