Dual clutch for the next Z

UNKNOWN_370 · 05-30-2011, 10:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Red__Zed

yeah, that's why I think that it would be offered as a third option. It would probably add $2-5k to the cost of the Z. Jacking up the regular auto by that much would drive the car's price too high.

The DCT market has changed. They are using dct trannies in everything now. They are being tuned for different purposes. They can be made cheaper now. The technology is no longer the rare jewel it was a few short years ago. The new ford focus has a dct transmission. The 2013 mustang GT will have DCT. Mitsubishi was thefirst to be able to put a reasonablly priced DCT trransmission in the EVO. It would cost more to fix, that is true, but also you can't compare the DCT in the GT-R to what the Z will get. The DCT in the GTR is capable of holding ridiculous amounts of HP. I'm sure the Z capabilty will be better than the current 7at. But not as good as the GTR

Red__Zed · 05-30-2011, 10:24 AM

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Originally Posted by UNKNOWN_370

The DCT market has changed. They are using dct trannies in everything now. They are being tuned for different purposes. They can be made cheaper now. The technology is no longer the rare jewel it was a few short years ago. The new ford focus has a dct transmission. The 2013 mustang GT will have DCT. Mitsubishi was thefirst to be able to put a reasonablly priced DCT trransmission in the EVO. It would cost more to fix, that is true, but also you can't compare the DCT in the GT-R to what the Z will get. The DCT in the GTR is capable of holding ridiculous amounts of HP. I'm sure the Z capabilty will be better than the current 7at. But not as good as the GTR

Anything suitable for the Z will add quite a bit to the price. It jacks up the price on the EVO by like 5 grand.

UNKNOWN_370 · 05-30-2011, 11:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Red__Zed

Anything suitable for the Z will add quite a bit to the price. It jacks up the price on the EVO by like 5 grand.

$5,000 is a gross overstatement. Its about $3,000. Considering a DCT at worst will add 5% hp and we spend about the same in aftermarket parts to get similar results. I don't see how this would be a bad investment. But with these new dcts emerging. I doubt the new DCT would cost more than $2700:

2011 Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution GSR Price With Options

Red__Zed · 05-30-2011, 11:54 AM

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Originally Posted by UNKNOWN_370

$5,000 is a gross overstatement. Its about $3,000. Considering a DCT at worst will add 5% hp and we spend about the same in aftermarket parts to get similar results. I don't see how this would be a bad investment. But with these new dcts emerging. I doubt the new DCT would cost more than $2700:

2011 Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution GSR Price With Options

Mitsubishi subsidized the price to keep the Evo selling.

What are you talking about adding 5% horsepower?

Also, the 5 speed in the GSR is much more expensive to manufacture than the 6 speed in the Z. It's actually a transmission built to handle abuse.

RoshDawg · 05-30-2011, 01:17 PM

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Originally Posted by UNKNOWN_370

The DCT market has changed. They are using dct trannies in everything now. They are being tuned for different purposes. They can be made cheaper now. The technology is no longer the rare jewel it was a few short years ago. The new ford focus has a dct transmission. The 2013 mustang GT will have DCT. Mitsubishi was thefirst to be able to put a reasonablly priced DCT trransmission in the EVO. It would cost more to fix, that is true, but also you can't compare the DCT in the GT-R to what the Z will get. The DCT in the GTR is capable of holding ridiculous amounts of HP. I'm sure the Z capabilty will be better than the current 7at. But not as good as the GTR

Also, a problem that I had with my evo x mr was that I couldn't add too much power (only about 20-30hp) without having the clutches slip. Same thing would probably happen to the z as the DCT will of course not be as good as the GTR. The real cost factor would be upgrading the clutch, not actually buying the option from the factory as it would probably be the same as getting a sport package.
I agree, MT is more fun, but DCT adds such a huge advantage on the track. With that being said, I would still buy the MT only bc I want to have a traditional sports car (front engine, RWD, MT) and bc I have already had my fun with DCT before.
I would say DCT is for a track driver, not a daily driver

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