Dual clutch for the next Z

Red__Zed · 05-29-2011, 07:33 PM

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Originally Posted by cossie1600

This is pointless. Guys who buy MT will buy MT and AT guys will buy AT...

I'd consider the Z in auto if they put in a good auto option.

b1adesofcha0s · 05-29-2011, 07:36 PM

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Originally Posted by cossie1600

This is pointless. Guys who buy MT will buy MT and AT guys will buy AT...

Yeah, but the actual topic of this thread in not pointless. A DCT to replace the current 7AT would be a huge deal and a nice performance upgrade.

Red__Zed · 05-29-2011, 07:37 PM

They also could offer a DCT in addition to the current offerings.

b1adesofcha0s · 05-29-2011, 07:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Red__Zed

They also could offer a DCT in addition to the current offerings.

I think if they do offer a DCT (which I doubt they will) it will be the standard auto on the Z. Only problem is that a DCT will be ridiculously expensive to repair/replace. The one on the GT-R is like $20k.

Chan Chee Hoe · 05-29-2011, 07:46 PM

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Originally Posted by kenchan

nissan's current solution for AT is CVT...

i guess perfect for those who cant drive MT cause of the slipping clutch-ish sound the cvt makes.

No one will buy a sports car with CVT.

Red__Zed · 05-29-2011, 07:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Chan Chee Hoe

No one will buy a sports car with CVT.

If it was a good CVT they would.

Plus like 3/4 of the Z's market isn't shopping for a sports car, they just want something that looks pretty.

PapoZalsa · 05-29-2011, 09:07 PM

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Originally Posted by CBRich

I don't daily drive my Z and I find the MT to be more fun. Whether or not it's faster doesn't really concern me. I enjoy rowing the gears.

b1adesofcha0s · 05-29-2011, 09:27 PM

A DCT is more likely than a CVT for the Z.

fuzzywuzzy · 05-29-2011, 09:38 PM

I'll buy a AT sports car when it has a shifter that comes out and shifts me faster and faster the more i push the gas pedal. Until then a MT is the only option for a sports car and AT in them = midlife crisis or grandpa's garage queen.

UNKNOWN_370 · 05-30-2011, 11:02 AM

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Originally Posted by 11Thumper

I've always been a MT guy. I got the 7AT and have mixed feelings. If I didn't have my S2000 there would probably be regret. Oh, and I ride motorcycles too so I get plenty of chances to row gears.

I daily both the Z and the S2000. The Z is a lot more relaxing in a commute (or road trip, shopping mall) situation. When I put the Z into manual mode it shifts pretty quick and I get back to that intimate interaction with the car. Is it just like a MT? Well, no. However, all around it's a tough combo to beat. If they offered dual clutch I would probably get it. However, I think for a slushbox the 7AT is amazing and a dual clutch is probably not needed.

What do you mean they offered the 7AT as a free option?

+1,000,000

The 7at brings a lot to the table for what it is. I totally agree. Having spent time with the 7at in both the G37 and Z. I have to test drive DCT to validate it as a real improvement. Either way there is a huge gain for enthusiasts with the DCT. Modding with FI will be so much easier with a DCT vs. The standard AT. Nissan is thinking about the future of modders and the increase in use of dual clutch racing type transmissions.

Red__Zed · 05-30-2011, 11:06 AM

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Originally Posted by b1adesofcha0s

I think if they do offer a DCT (which I doubt they will) it will be the standard auto on the Z. Only problem is that a DCT will be ridiculously expensive to repair/replace. The one on the GT-R is like $20k.

yeah, that's why I think that it would be offered as a third option. It would probably add $2-5k to the cost of the Z. Jacking up the regular auto by that much would drive the car's price too high.

Davey · 05-30-2011, 11:11 AM

I would likely still buy the stick, to me a sports car that shifts itself is just "wrong."

UNKNOWN_370 · 05-30-2011, 11:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Red__Zed

yeah, that's why I think that it would be offered as a third option. It would probably add $2-5k to the cost of the Z. Jacking up the regular auto by that much would drive the car's price too high.

The DCT market has changed. They are using dct trannies in everything now. They are being tuned for different purposes. They can be made cheaper now. The technology is no longer the rare jewel it was a few short years ago. The new ford focus has a dct transmission. The 2013 mustang GT will have DCT. Mitsubishi was thefirst to be able to put a reasonablly priced DCT trransmission in the EVO. It would cost more to fix, that is true, but also you can't compare the DCT in the GT-R to what the Z will get. The DCT in the GTR is capable of holding ridiculous amounts of HP. I'm sure the Z capabilty will be better than the current 7at. But not as good as the GTR

Red__Zed · 05-30-2011, 11:24 AM

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Originally Posted by UNKNOWN_370

The DCT market has changed. They are using dct trannies in everything now. They are being tuned for different purposes. They can be made cheaper now. The technology is no longer the rare jewel it was a few short years ago. The new ford focus has a dct transmission. The 2013 mustang GT will have DCT. Mitsubishi was thefirst to be able to put a reasonablly priced DCT trransmission in the EVO. It would cost more to fix, that is true, but also you can't compare the DCT in the GT-R to what the Z will get. The DCT in the GTR is capable of holding ridiculous amounts of HP. I'm sure the Z capabilty will be better than the current 7at. But not as good as the GTR

Anything suitable for the Z will add quite a bit to the price. It jacks up the price on the EVO by like 5 grand.

Mt Tam I am · 05-30-2011, 11:30 AM

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Originally Posted by RoshDawg

For the 370z, Nissan made AT a free option as an incentive for people to use their 7spd transmission. With so many dual/twin clutch transmissions out with much proven success, their popularity is growing fast. It would only make sense for Nissan to offer dual clutch AMT and traditional MT. If so would you chose AMT over MT?

Launch control, split second shifts, less power loss between shifts, and all the other pluses to a dual clutch would be pretty cool. The only cons to it is the slight clankiness at lower speeds and less fun with shifting. Just my opinion..

If I'd wanted an auto I'd have bought the GTR.

In the UK the auto is 1400 pounds more not free. They must look at the demographics and determine their best sales strategy.

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