WORST DAY!!!! Possible engine blown???!!!!

jran76 · 05-08-2011, 11:29 AM

I think it is pretty safe to say you have some serious damage to the bottom end with the oil coming out like that. I can't see if being something simple.

My concern would be the pulley, and I would have personally removed it before towing the car in (although it sounds like your dealer has probably seen it before). Not a big fan of pulleys due to the fact that they don't produce much power, and it is one mod that is directly connected to the engine that gives the dealers an excuse to not cover the engine if something lets go. From a strictly legal standpoint, it is tough to argue that a breathing mod caused engine damage unless they can somehow show that it caused detonation. I don't think they need evidence like that with the pulley. They could argue the pulley affected anything from the crank, rods, pistons, bearings, etc. In this case, it comes down to what kind of dealer you have. I know one G sedan owner that a dealer refused engine warranty due to a non-OEM pulley.

Lemers · 05-08-2011, 11:32 AM

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Originally Posted by esfourteen

with enough time and money any engine could go in there sure. I think his point was it's not very realistic...

If his engine is a total loss and warranty won't cover it. Then his already in for a lot of time and money. I was just giving him a "outside the box" idea. Y'all shouldn't be afraid to try new things.

I bet nobody though a corvette engine would fit in a 350 until it was done.

jran76 · 05-08-2011, 11:36 AM

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Originally Posted by V8Killer

You need to research the laws in Canada to see what law protects you as a consumer. There is one here in the U.S. I can't think of the name as of right now, but it is to protect the consumer in a situation of this sort. In any case where modifications are put on a vehicle and there is a malfunction of any sort the dealership can not blame it on said added parts. i.e. installing an after market exhaust then all of a sudden you have electrical problems. The two are not connected but some dealers like to push the unknowing consumer around and say your warranty is voided b/c of the mod. If you are that worried about it I would remove said parts and put the factory parts back on.
Also included in this act the company must prove that which exact part did what damage. I haven't had something this severe happen and hopefully I won't but I'm sure like most people here they have had their disputes with Nissan. Keep your head up and you will get a new engine. Worst case scenario if they can salvage your engine they will which isn't a bad thing either.

That would be the Magnuson–Moss Warranty Act in the US. I did not realize the OP was from Canada, and I am not sure what their laws are.... I know in the US, the MM Warranty Act does protect consumers to some degree (although still a PITA in many cases), but with the crank pulley it would likely be a long losing battle if the dealership really wants to be an a$$.... My experience is that breathing mods you can get away with most of the time, but things that directly affect the mechanics of the engine are a roll of the dice.

Magnuson?Moss Warranty Act - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

RockStarKick · 05-08-2011, 11:36 AM

Never putting Royal Purple in my car !!!!!

Red__Zed · 05-08-2011, 11:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Lemers

If his engine is a total loss and warranty won't cover it. Then his already in for a lot of time and money. I was just giving him a "outside the box" idea. Y'all shouldn't be afraid to try new things.

I bet nobody though a corvette engine would fit in a 350 until it was done.

Install time would be at least 2x install of a factory engine, and swaps never work 100%.

Zat_Zuma · 05-08-2011, 11:38 AM

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Originally Posted by RockStarKick

Never putting Royal Purple in my car !!!!!

V8Killer · 05-08-2011, 11:40 AM

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Originally Posted by RockStarKick

Never putting Royal Purple in my car !!!!!

Hey now don't knock on RP it's been good to my baby.

Kastley85891 · 05-08-2011, 11:43 AM

wow, suckage

hide187 · 05-08-2011, 11:47 AM

Bonkers!! This makes my head hurt.

jran76 · 05-08-2011, 11:48 AM

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Originally Posted by V8Killer

Hey now don't knock on RP it's been good to my baby.

From oil analysis samples on the VQ35DE, it performed pretty badly compared to most other oils. I don't see any real data for the VQ37VHR, but I don't think I would use it based on the way it performed on other VQ motors. With that said, it is a quality motor oil, and it is not going to make a difference for a long time. It definitely won't cause major problems like the OP is reporting unless improperly used.

V8Killer · 05-08-2011, 11:49 AM

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Originally Posted by jran76

That would be the Magnuson–Moss Warranty Act in the US. I did not realize the OP was from Canada, and I am not sure what their laws are.... I know in the US, the MM Warranty Act does protect consumers to some degree (although still a PITA in many cases), but with the crank pulley it would likely be a long losing battle if the dealership really wants to be an a$$.... My experience is that breathing mods you can get away with most of the time, but things that directly affect the mechanics of the engine are a roll of the dice.

Magnuson?Moss Warranty Act - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I might be thinking of another act, I don't remember that being the name. Now I did install a Stillen Under Drive Pulley. Now before installing I called Stillen and of course they said it wouldn't void my warranty. I talked to the Nissan dealership near me that I do my oil changes with and they said it would. Now at the same time I was already hammering down on the manager by talking to the regional manager on another topic so I make his life hell when I come in and his guys who do take care of my car love it. A little payback for those guys goes a long way. So anyway I called the dealership I bought it from and explained it to them how I was told that the pulley would affect my harmonic balancer and mess with my timing. Now it does help responsiveness some and it actually reduces some stress to a degree on the alternator. He said I could install it and that's when he proceeded to tell me about the act that protects me. At the end of the fun conversation he said if it gets bad remove it and put the stock pulley and belt back on. Just my case though. I have heard some messed up stories of dealers shutting some guys down.

V8Killer · 05-08-2011, 11:54 AM

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Originally Posted by jran76

From oil analysis samples on the VQ35DE, it performed pretty badly compared to most other oils. I don't see any real data for the VQ37VHR, but I don't think I would use it based on the way it performed on other VQ motors. With that said, it is a quality motor oil, and it is not going to make a difference for a long time. It definitely won't cause major problems like the OP is reporting unless improperly used.

Well I am speaking as an actual user so you won't find my 2 cents in a report.

I will say honestly that with our high oil temp problems RP has helped. I couldn't drive hard for long on the oil Nissan provided but when I switched I saw an increase in prolonged lower oil temps and cool down moderate when resuming normal driving. This is just my experience though. Just some things you will never know until you try it yourself. RP 4 LIFE LOL

SPOHN · 05-08-2011, 12:08 PM

If there is an internal problem I don't see how any after market mod he has would deny him his warrenty. I feel this would of happen without the mods.

jran76 · 05-08-2011, 12:11 PM

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Originally Posted by V8Killer

Well I am speaking as an actual user so you won't find my 2 cents in a report.

I will say honestly that with our high oil temp problems RP has helped. I couldn't drive hard for long on the oil Nissan provided but when I switched I saw an increase in prolonged lower oil temps and cool down moderate when resuming normal driving. This is just my experience though. Just some things you will never know until you try it yourself. RP 4 LIFE LOL

If you're happy, I guess that's all that matters. I prefer real data over someone's .02 cents, but that's just me. Have you had an oil analysis done with the RP on your car? If not, I would recommend doing so. There is no real way to know how an oil performs unless you have it analyzed by a lab (like Blackstone). Oil temps, and the way it looks, are not indicative of the way an oil is performing. The data I am talking about has come from real users (like yourself) that have sent their used oil in for analysis.

And, you're right, I have never used it (really for the reasons I mention in my other post). I currently run Redline fluids, but not because I think it is strictly the best oil (lab analysis is decent on the Redline oil I use, but not the best). I use it because it has proven to be good for extended change intervals, and I like the Ester additives (I have only been doing about 3000 miles every 6-9 months). They also make a MT fluid specifically for our manual transmissions which is a big improvement over the Nissan fluid.

Kastley85891 · 05-08-2011, 12:12 PM

^^ exactamundo - its not like you have added 100HP/TQ either

05-08-2011, 11:29 AM	#31 (permalink)
jran76 Base Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Plano, TX Posts: 74 Drives: 09 G37S Sedan 6MT Rep Power: 16	I think it is pretty safe to say you have some serious damage to the bottom end with the oil coming out like that. I can't see if being something simple. My concern would be the pulley, and I would have personally removed it before towing the car in (although it sounds like your dealer has probably seen it before). Not a big fan of pulleys due to the fact that they don't produce much power, and it is one mod that is directly connected to the engine that gives the dealers an excuse to not cover the engine if something lets go. From a strictly legal standpoint, it is tough to argue that a breathing mod caused engine damage unless they can somehow show that it caused detonation. I don't think they need evidence like that with the pulley. They could argue the pulley affected anything from the crank, rods, pistons, bearings, etc. In this case, it comes down to what kind of dealer you have. I know one G sedan owner that a dealer refused engine warranty due to a non-OEM pulley. __________________ 2009 G37S Sedan-6MT: Advan / Volk / Tein / SPC / Invidia / Cobb / K&N

05-08-2011, 11:36 AM	#34 (permalink)
RockStarKick Enthusiast Member Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Houston Posts: 298 Drives: it like a rental Rep Power: 15	Never putting Royal Purple in my car !!!!! __________________ 2013 Mustang GT, 6M, Track Pack & Leather Recaros 2011 Pearl White 6M /Sport Pkg - SOLD

05-08-2011, 11:43 AM	#38 (permalink)
Kastley85891 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: ATX 370 - Sold Posts: 1,149 Drives: 2003 Wagon Rep Power: 18	wow, suckage __________________ Boosted V8 hunter 2850 lbs and 375WHP

05-08-2011, 12:08 PM	#43 (permalink)
SPOHN A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Covington, GA Age: 46 Posts: 14,844 Drives: Waiting on next Z Rep Power: 221	If there is an internal problem I don't see how any after market mod he has would deny him his warrenty. I feel this would of happen without the mods. __________________

05-08-2011, 12:12 PM	#45 (permalink)
Kastley85891 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: ATX 370 - Sold Posts: 1,149 Drives: 2003 Wagon Rep Power: 18	^^ exactamundo - its not like you have added 100HP/TQ either __________________ Boosted V8 hunter 2850 lbs and 375WHP

05-08-2011, 11:47 AM	#39 (permalink)
hide187 Base Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Florida Posts: 186 Drives: 09 370 MB Sport Rep Power: 47	Bonkers!! This makes my head hurt.

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