Clutch pedal too soft/no feel? Remove the helper spring!

Leuz · 04-07-2013, 04:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SteveBad

I know this is an old thread, but it deserves a re.read.

Removing the spring is THE best mod ever. I,ve been driving stick shift since 1970 and never had the crazy lurching as with the Z.
Spring gone, perfect smoothness!!!!!!

ANd the higher effort is barely noticeable, and cruise control works perfect.

People here have changed the spring with a softer one instead of just removing the oem one. I am trying to go this route as I hate the stock clutch feeling.

SATX_NISMO · 04-07-2013, 05:10 PM

Is the replacement clutch pedal soft spring still available?

roplusbee · 04-07-2013, 05:28 PM

For what it's worth, I purchases the replacement spring offered by a member here on the forum. I never installed it though. I simply removed the helper spring and I actually like the feel without it.

fritz · 04-08-2013, 06:18 AM

It was brilliant....and well worth repeating.
removed the bottom pin and just let the spring hang there since esfourteen posted in mid 2011.
Similar effect on old Ferraris too.
The spring should not be doing anything other than acting as a servo...so the disconnect or removal is unlikely to affect anything.

Fritz

zefaulter · 04-08-2013, 06:37 AM

Just wondering, does this mod make the clutch feel more like a American muscle car: corvette, mustang and camaro? Or more like hyundai?

Jsolo · 04-08-2013, 11:04 PM

I'd say the effort is similar to my late 90's camaro. No idea what the new camaro's/vettes feel like. Definitely not like hyundai or a vw. I don't even notice the marginal extra effort required any more.

luigi90210 · 06-03-2013, 07:31 PM

Just did this to my car. Couldn't be any happier.

Took the whole thing apart and put it back together without the spring.

olddudesrule · 06-04-2013, 02:01 PM

Anyone have a Century spring they'd like to part with? Went to the company's website, and I'd like to avoid buying $47 worth if I don't have to.

olddudesrule · 06-04-2013, 06:25 PM

Thanks to Jsolo for coming through! PM and payment sent. Want to give this mod a try before deciding on the RJM clutch pedal upgrade.

Hotrodz · 06-04-2013, 10:16 PM

I just did this yesterday and what a difference, I should have done it a year ago!

Tiny Tokes · 06-06-2013, 12:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by olddudesrule

Anyone have a Century spring they'd like to part with? Went to the company's website, and I'd like to avoid buying $47 worth if I don't have to.

Check out LMBmikeZ on this site. He has a few left for $20 each including the shipping. Great guy... He's in Canada. I just got one yesterday...

olddudesrule · 06-06-2013, 09:34 AM

Thanks for the heads up ^, but Jsolo came through immediately.

On the subject, I'm looking forward to getting the spring installed to see exactly what difference, if any, exists IMO. That said, I've been studying the clutch feel closely on this car (2012, stock Nismo, 11,000 miles, stock fluid), and am really wondering if the issue many are having isn't related, at least in part, but the "fly by wire" throttle we have. I find the response "mushy", especially from a stop, but I don't find the clutch engagement all that unusual. Engages near the top of the throw, friction feel is not great, but overall very linear. I've driven performance manual cars for years (two Z06's, a GTS Viper and a FFR Cobra), so I think I have a decent grasp on proper feel and operation.

Just my .02 thought. In my perfect 370Z world, I'd tighten both the clutch and throttle response up. I'm sure, based on what I'm hearing about Uprev, I could have the throttle response made a bit more crisp at lower levels. Used HPTuners on the LS for that too...

JARblue · 06-06-2013, 10:03 AM

Honestly, I find the clutch feel significantly improved when I'm barefoot vs when I wear my boots for work. My daily commute is typically wearing boots, and everything else like weekend cruising is typically barefoot.

I just recently got an EcuTek tune, and the throttle response is much improved

I don't have any problems with the stock clutch as I have gotten used to it, but I'd rather be able to adjust it to me than having to adjust myself to it. I look forward to being able to fully adjust it to my liking once I get the RJM clutch pedal assembly.

chknhawk · 06-06-2013, 10:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JARblue

Honestly, I find the clutch feel significantly improved when I'm barefoot vs when I wear my boots for work. My daily commute is typically wearing boots, and everything else like weekend cruising is typically barefoot.

I just recently got an EcuTek tune, and the throttle response is much improved

I don't have any problems with the stock clutch as I have gotten used to it, but I'd rather be able to adjust it to me than having to adjust myself to it. I look forward to being able to fully adjust it to my liking once I get the RJM clutch pedal assembly.

There is an RJM pedal kit for sale in the classifieds. 200 i think.

JARblue · 06-06-2013, 11:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by chknhawk

There is an RJM pedal kit for sale in the classifieds. 200 i think.

I'm planning to pick one up by the end of the year - a new one isn't much more expensive. I'm currently bracing for ~$800 in brake rotors and pads that I will be purchasing by the end of next week, and I'll need new rear tires before the summer is out, so no mods for a while

04-07-2013, 05:28 PM	#438 (permalink)
roplusbee A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Killeen, TX Posts: 2,360 Drives: 2007 350Z NISMO Rep Power: 22	For what it's worth, I purchases the replacement spring offered by a member here on the forum. I never installed it though. I simply removed the helper spring and I actually like the feel without it. __________________ 2007 350Z NISMO #0618: Zerolift \| UPREV \| F.I. \| Greddy \| Competition Clutch \| Injector Dynamics \| Aeromotive \| Pioneer \| JL

04-08-2013, 11:04 PM	#441 (permalink)
Jsolo Track Member Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: chicago Posts: 783 Drives: '12 G37 6MT Rep Power: 14	I'd say the effort is similar to my late 90's camaro. No idea what the new camaro's/vettes feel like. Definitely not like hyundai or a vw. I don't even notice the marginal extra effort required any more. __________________ G37S Sedan 6MT, Eibach swaybars, Invidia Exhaust, Weaker Clutch Pedal Spring For sale links

06-04-2013, 10:16 PM	#445 (permalink)
Hotrodz A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Aug 2012 Location: NW, AZ Posts: 9,330 Drives: 10 Nissan 370z Nismo Rep Power: 2684385	I just did this yesterday and what a difference, I should have done it a year ago! luigi90210 likes this. __________________ *Fast Intentions TT Installed and Tuned by Seb at SpecialtyZ 610whp 560tq:\|Fast Intentions 3" TT-TDX*\|SpecialtyZ/Fast Intentions 72 Row Oil Cooler\|SZ 6 Puck Clutch & Flywheel\|3GsCustoms\|Z1\|Wavetrac\|Hotchkis\|Whiteline \|Blitz\|Fortune Auto 500\|Fujimura\|SPL\|H&R\|TK\|TWM\|RPM Rollbar\|Sparco\|Next Level Performance\|TrackSpec\|AeroFlow Dynamics\|Pioneer\|

06-06-2013, 10:03 AM	#448 (permalink)
JARblue A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Austin, TX Age: 43 Posts: 36,450 Drives: 11 Z34, 98 E36 M3 Rep Power: 2684440	Honestly, I find the clutch feel significantly improved when I'm barefoot vs when I wear my boots for work. My daily commute is typically wearing boots, and everything else like weekend cruising is typically barefoot. I just recently got an EcuTek tune, and the throttle response is much improved I don't have any problems with the stock clutch as I have gotten used to it, but I'd rather be able to adjust it to me than having to adjust myself to it. I look forward to being able to fully adjust it to my liking once I get the RJM clutch pedal assembly. __________________ 2011 370Z 6MT Sport Gun Metallic \| ARC \| CJM \| Ecutek \| FI \| Fujimura \| R2C \| SPL \| Stillen \| TWM \| Z1 \| ZSpeed \|

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04-07-2013, 05:10 PM	#437 (permalink)
SATX_NISMO Enthusiast Member Join Date: Oct 2012 Location: San Antonio Posts: 262 Drives: 2012 370 Nismo Rep Power: 13	Is the replacement clutch pedal soft spring still available?

04-08-2013, 06:18 AM	#439 (permalink)
fritz Base Member Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: Andorre Posts: 90 Drives: 2010 370Z M6 Rep Power: 16	It was brilliant....and well worth repeating. removed the bottom pin and just let the spring hang there since esfourteen posted in mid 2011. Similar effect on old Ferraris too. The spring should not be doing anything other than acting as a servo...so the disconnect or removal is unlikely to affect anything. Fritz

04-08-2013, 06:37 AM	#440 (permalink)
zefaulter A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Toronto, Canada Posts: 1,983 Drives: 40th 370Z Rep Power: 27	Just wondering, does this mod make the clutch feel more like a American muscle car: corvette, mustang and camaro? Or more like hyundai?

06-03-2013, 07:31 PM	#442 (permalink)
luigi90210 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: San Diego CA Posts: 1,103 Drives: Classified Rep Power: 15	Just did this to my car. Couldn't be any happier. Took the whole thing apart and put it back together without the spring.

06-04-2013, 02:01 PM	#443 (permalink)
olddudesrule Enthusiast Member Join Date: Apr 2013 Location: Gilbert, AZ Posts: 252 Drives: 2012 Nismo Rep Power: 12	Anyone have a Century spring they'd like to part with? Went to the company's website, and I'd like to avoid buying $47 worth if I don't have to.

06-04-2013, 06:25 PM	#444 (permalink)
olddudesrule Enthusiast Member Join Date: Apr 2013 Location: Gilbert, AZ Posts: 252 Drives: 2012 Nismo Rep Power: 12	Thanks to Jsolo for coming through! PM and payment sent. Want to give this mod a try before deciding on the RJM clutch pedal upgrade.

06-06-2013, 09:34 AM	#447 (permalink)
olddudesrule Enthusiast Member Join Date: Apr 2013 Location: Gilbert, AZ Posts: 252 Drives: 2012 Nismo Rep Power: 12	Thanks for the heads up ^, but Jsolo came through immediately. On the subject, I'm looking forward to getting the spring installed to see exactly what difference, if any, exists IMO. That said, I've been studying the clutch feel closely on this car (2012, stock Nismo, 11,000 miles, stock fluid), and am really wondering if the issue many are having isn't related, at least in part, but the "fly by wire" throttle we have. I find the response "mushy", especially from a stop, but I don't find the clutch engagement all that unusual. Engages near the top of the throw, friction feel is not great, but overall very linear. I've driven performance manual cars for years (two Z06's, a GTS Viper and a FFR Cobra), so I think I have a decent grasp on proper feel and operation. Just my .02 thought. In my perfect 370Z world, I'd tighten both the clutch and throttle response up. I'm sure, based on what I'm hearing about Uprev, I could have the throttle response made a bit more crisp at lower levels. Used HPTuners on the LS for that too...