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esfourteen 06-16-2011 11:06 AM

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Originally Posted by NewYorkJon34 (Post 1172740)
Are there any more springs?

I will be getting more in 2 weeks hopefully, but I am still waiting to hear back from AK on going through with another group buy. I promise that I have added everyone to my list who has asked about the springs. I will try to get a new GB thread going ASAP.

cruzmisl 06-16-2011 12:03 PM

I still have a few mm of soft pedal at the top, which I'm now not sure was there before with the stock spring. It goes all the way up, but I can very easily tap it and make it move a few mm.

Is it possible something is loose now? Or am I going crazy from having to work on it for so long last night?

I'm very happy with the mod and won't go back to the stock spring, but after all that work last night I wonder if something happened. Just checking to see how it feels with other people.

RCZ 06-16-2011 01:12 PM

I used pliers to put mine in...took all of 2 minutes...and I had to do the top too which was so much more of a pain than the bottom...bottom one is easy.

esfourteen 06-16-2011 01:15 PM

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Originally Posted by cruzmisl (Post 1173017)
I still have a few mm of soft pedal at the top, which I'm now not sure was there before with the stock spring. It goes all the way up, but I can very easily tap it and make it move a few mm.

Is it possible something is loose now? Or am I going crazy from having to work on it for so long last night?

I'm very happy with the mod and won't go back to the stock spring, but after all that work last night I wonder if something happened. Just checking to see how it feels with other people.

the soft pedal at the top is just the travel in the small spring before it hits the point where the pressure plate engages and larger spring expands, I believe it was always there but you couldn't tell the difference because of how soft the pedal was overall.

esfourteen 06-16-2011 01:16 PM

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Originally Posted by RCZ (Post 1173154)
I used pliers to put mine in...took all of 2 minutes...and I had to do the top too which was so much more of a pain than the bottom...bottom one is easy.

it seems hit or miss, mine was extremely easy to remove the bottom pin as well, I have run into the issue 3 times now with the bottom pin.

I just installed red6spd's spring for him and the bottom pin got stuck coming out and I knew at that point I would be better off pushing it back and doing the top pin. Still took me about 10 minutes just to push the pin back in.

If you feel like the bottom pin does not want to come out easily, DONT take it out, the top pin is more difficult to get to but I have yet to encounter one that would get stuck like the bottom can.

cruzmisl 06-16-2011 01:22 PM

That is good advice. There really isn't any space down there to do a whole lot. If you **** it up bad enough you might even have to take the whole freakin clutch pedal assembly out.

red6spd 06-16-2011 02:49 PM

Just did some "spirted" driving and wow. You guys where not kidding. I can catch gears so much harder with more precision. And when just drving normal it dont look like I just started drving a stick yesterday. Thanks for busting you a** and doing the install Nick, my girl did not want to cooperate LOL

chops 06-16-2011 11:28 PM

just installed mine. actually took longer than i thought. after i removed the C clips, the entire assembly just fell apart so it took me a while to figure out how it went back in (wasnt paying much attention)

anywho, car is washed, quick detailed and new clutch spring installed. cant wait to drive it tomorrow. thanks again for doing this man!

esfourteen 06-16-2011 11:39 PM

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Originally Posted by chops (Post 1174504)
just installed mine. actually took longer than i thought. after i removed the C clips, the entire assembly just fell apart so it took me a while to figure out how it went back in (wasnt paying much attention)

anywho, car is washed, quick detailed and new clutch spring installed. cant wait to drive it tomorrow. thanks again for doing this man!

glad you got it all figured out!

Rooskey 06-17-2011 01:49 AM

Snap! Just installed this spring yesterday. Awsome! Now my sons nany can take him to school in style!

Boost_lee 06-17-2011 03:26 AM

Just had a nightmare installing the assembly back in. I was trying to put the C clip back on the top pin when it shot out of my pliers and got lost. I tried removing the plastic panel cover the fuse box area and still couldn't find it. I think it went into the hollow area where the wiring molex is. Had to use a snap ring instead since I didn't have any C clips, but it'll will hold fine.

One thing that helped me on the bottom pin, since mine was very very hard to push back in, was to get a large channel lock plier and use the clutch pedal assembly as leverage. Very easy to squeeze in at that point.

I don't know how some of you guys work down there so easily, that is the most uncomfortable spot ever.

Oh yea, spring feels awesome :)

chuckd05 06-17-2011 11:37 AM

Being 6-3 it's impossible for me to not hurt myself while working On it. My bottom pin does not want to go back in for anything. I had nick come too And we were unsuccessful. I'm going to take a Dremel to the pedal opening to let me get it in. Right now the seemly is installed with no pin and it it clicks when the pedal comes up and Its rather annoying.

Boost when you said you used the clutch pedal as leverage what do you mean?

esfourteen 06-17-2011 12:41 PM

I'll show you what he meant, I can get it back in for you. Had to do the same on red's, his pin was a bitch.

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Originally Posted by chuckd05 (Post 1175021)
Being 6-3 it's impossible for me to not hurt myself while working On it. My bottom pin does not want to go back in for anything. I had ice come too And we were unsuccessful. I'm going to take a Dremel to the pedal opening to let me get it in. Right now the seemly is installed with no pin and it it clicks when the pedal comes up and Its rather annoying.

Boost when you said you used the clutch pedal as leverage what do you mean?


cruzmisl 06-17-2011 12:49 PM

I had to sand the entire pin down a little, and then put some lube on it. It slid right in afterwards.

cheshirecat 06-17-2011 01:02 PM

My pin ended up being a pain in the ***. The top is fine. The bottom is a nightmare. Couldn't get it in all the way before it got dark so now it's halfassed shoved in there. Plan on using some channel locks to fix tomorrow.

chops 06-17-2011 03:43 PM

bottom pin wasnt that hard to get in for me. i just used my strength to compress the spring, while pushing the assembly up and sliding the pin right in!

btw. drove it today. the clutch is so much nicer now. my 1-2 shift is golden and you actually know exactly where the clutch grab point is. muuuuch smoother driving, and way better feel. love this mod!

Boost_lee 06-17-2011 08:09 PM

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Originally Posted by chuckd05 (Post 1175021)

Boost when you said you used the clutch pedal as leverage what do you mean?

If you look to the right of the clutch spring assembly, there should be a flat metal area connected to the pedal assembly. It's like a flat L bracket sort of, can't remember perfectly. I put one end of the channel locks on the pin (left) and the other end on that L bracket thing (right). You probably could use the bottom of the spring assembly too but it might push the pin through at an angle and be harder.

Edit, pic might be easier. Put the channel locks like the red points here

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v2.../clutch2-3.jpg

chuckd05 06-17-2011 11:13 PM

ahh thanks, that makes sense.. should be back in tomorrow than...


strange that some peoples are easy... and others a pita

Soygen 06-18-2011 09:24 AM

I took out the top pin instead of the bottom, but there's very little room to get that top pin back in through the side. I'm going to need some assistance keeping the clutch down while I try to get it back in today. Going to need both hands on it.

esfourteen 06-18-2011 11:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Soygen (Post 1176577)
I took out the top pin instead of the bottom, but there's very little room to get that top pin back in through the side. I'm going to need some assistance keeping the clutch down while I try to get it back in today. Going to need both hands on it.

when I remove the top pin I reinstall it opposite, so insert from the right side.

tranceformer 06-18-2011 12:03 PM

I finally installed my spring just now... it's in and feels good.

that's what she said!

erkthejerk73 06-18-2011 12:53 PM

just installed mine, i have to thank you for offering this! Finally I like the clutch pedal!

Dsevast 06-18-2011 02:43 PM

I am in for the next group buy!

Soygen 06-18-2011 03:27 PM

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Originally Posted by esfourteen (Post 1176649)
when I remove the top pin I reinstall it opposite, so insert from the right side.

Simple enough. Thanks!

KingZee 06-18-2011 06:09 PM

I can't wait to install mine. I got the spring like a week ago but the day I got the spring some guy from my office building backed into my car and damaged the bumper and some of the body behind the bumper so now the spring is sitting on my desk at home and my car is sitting at the body shop. :shakes head:

cruzmisl 06-18-2011 08:48 PM

Can someone that has done this take a quick look at this short vid to see if this is normal? I don't remember it being normal, but I also don't want to go through the ordeal of putting the old spring back in just to see.

I didn't spend more than 2 minutes driving the car WITHOUT the spring at all, so I'm just wondering if this is the same "play" that happens when you don't have any spring in.

YouTube - ‪Clutch‬‏

Thanks!

Ron 06-18-2011 09:23 PM

it's normal, I have that too. There should be a small amount of play in any clutch pedal, it lets know that you are not dragging against the pressure plate when clutch is disengaged

Soygen 06-18-2011 11:53 PM

Yup, I have about 1/4" of play at the top as well.

Evil Sports 06-23-2011 05:39 AM

es14, any word on the next batch

EVOnomore 06-23-2011 06:59 AM

Same here

esfourteen 06-23-2011 11:28 AM

AK agreed to the 2nd GB, I will post up details later today.

kevin.z 06-24-2011 12:08 AM

I am in! How much is it?

chuckd05 06-24-2011 12:15 AM

we should all chip in and buy nick a tank of gas for his work here!!! lol

I even went as far as making him come to my house to try to get my pin in.... I got 5 on it, lol...


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with the spring in there will be some play at the top thats "dead" but the spring pushes it all the way up... you cannot lift the pedal with ur foot any more than where it is on its own... BUT with the spring out , you will be able to lift the pedal a little bit where the spring would usually push it up to that point...

cruzmisl 06-24-2011 01:24 PM

Thanks for that description. I didn't have the spring out long enough to know that w/o a spring, it wouldn't go all the way up.

weiboy718 06-24-2011 01:32 PM

Yep thanks Nick for doing this. I'm liking mines so far.

Also, if anyone get's stuck putting that pin back into the hole like me, I say scrap it and use a nut and bolt. Mines were stuck solid, it would not go through so a nut and bolt works just as good

Evil Sports 06-25-2011 08:54 AM

Nick, any word :driving:

NewYorkJon34 06-25-2011 09:08 AM

I'm in for the next group buy for sure, just waiting for it to start

mototrmpt 06-25-2011 10:05 AM

Count me in too for the next group buy.

SPOHN 06-25-2011 10:23 AM

+1 for another. Ready to pay now. I'll start a list if this takes off. Hope this ok? Rep waiting for yea.

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