Clutch pedal too soft/no feel? Remove the helper spring!

spearfish25 · 05-10-2011, 12:04 PM

Can you remove the spring and then reinstall the assembly and pins? I'd guess that would give lateral stability to the pedal without the resistance of the spring.

SE · 05-10-2011, 12:56 PM

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Originally Posted by spearfish25

Can you remove the spring and then reinstall the assembly and pins? I'd guess that would give lateral stability to the pedal without the resistance of the spring.

I tried looking at a diagram in the FSM briefly, but it doesn't look like it would do much. The problem is that it's not the pin assembly by itself that gives the pedal it's stability, but rather the heavy spring forcing itself upwards against the pedal. Even by repacing the spring with a softer one than OEM you could theoretically keep some of the stability, but it still wouldn't be close to the OEM specs. Realistically speaking, it's up to those who choose to do this mod whether the percieved benefits outweigh the potential long term issues.

esfourteen · 05-10-2011, 01:45 PM

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Originally Posted by spearfish25

Can you remove the spring and then reinstall the assembly and pins? I'd guess that would give lateral stability to the pedal without the resistance of the spring.

you can't just remove the springs and re-install the assembly unfortunately, honestly this isn't that much of an issue from what I can see, the pedal has little side to side movement. G guys have been running with this removed for years and not reporting any problems.

I'm just looking into replacing the spring for longevity if its a simple case of finding a proper spring. If I don't find one im certainly not going to re-install the old one.

F4iMerlin · 05-10-2011, 08:01 PM

After running it for a day, I decided, while it has a more realistic clutch feel, I didn't like the free-play in the pedal. Re-installed for now.

OKC Z · 05-11-2011, 05:28 AM

I did this myself and all I can say i love it. Its alot smoother and easier to shift it kinda reminds me of the exedy hyper single i had in another car. The only thing that got me thinking was if there will be any negative side effects. You guys think it will mess something up in the tranny? They put it on for a reason, which I dont know why.

KingZee · 05-11-2011, 09:23 AM

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Originally Posted by OKC Z

I did this myself and all I can say i love it. Its alot smoother and easier to shift it kinda reminds me of the exedy hyper single i had in another car. The only thing that got me thinking was if there will be any negative side effects. You guys think it will mess something up in the tranny? They put it on for a reason, which I dont know why.

You might wanna read the last couple pages of this thread.

synolimit · 07-18-2013, 01:51 PM

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Originally Posted by esfourteen

you can't just remove the springs and re-install the assembly unfortunately.

Why not? I did.

My OEM setup is rock solid and I never had any issue driving, shifting, or bucking. I removed the springs and I can feel the clutch engage better but the slop at the top of the stroke is horrible now. OEM feels better.

weiboy718 · 05-11-2011, 09:33 AM

When you guys mod your car do you worry about ruining something? This mod is by far the easiest that costs only a few minute of your time. I wouldn't worry about it too much. Guys had been running without that spring since 2009 and still no issues.

KingZee · 05-11-2011, 10:17 AM

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Originally Posted by weiboy718

When you guys mod your car do you worry about ruining something? This mod is by far the easiest that costs only a few minute of your time. I wouldn't worry about it too much. Guys had been running without that spring since 2009 and still no issues.

I'm not saying by any means to not do this but when you mod a car you usually replace something with a "better" thing or add something that wasn't there before. This is removing something without putting anything different in its place so I understand the concern for long term damage.

JB1 · 05-11-2011, 09:46 AM

I finally drove my car today after taking the spring out. I like it a lot. Feels so much better. No more artificial linear crap.

Yes, it takes a wee bit more effort to press the pedal down and there is a bit of free play at the top, but in my opinion these little down sides do not outweigh the benefits. I'll now try to find a softer spring to see if this will get rid of the free play and add some lateral stability without loosing the added feel.

bradz · 05-11-2011, 11:35 AM

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Originally Posted by JB1

I'll now try to find a softer spring to see if this will get rid of the free play and add some lateral stability without loosing the added feel.

Yes, do this and you can have the benefits of both. With the softer springs, you get rid off the play with the same feel without the spring. I know because this mod was very familiar with german cars like Porsche.

KingZee · 05-11-2011, 11:51 AM

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Originally Posted by bradz

Yes, do this and you can have the benefits of both. With the softer springs, you get rid off the play with the same feel without the spring. I know because this mod was very familiar with german cars like Porsche.

Why do so many car companies do this sh*t to begin with? Who in their right mind prefers this crappy linear feel over an actual clutch feel?

weiboy718 · 05-11-2011, 12:01 PM

Maybe they designed it That way so females can drive it with ease

esfourteen · 05-11-2011, 12:08 PM

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Originally Posted by weiboy718

Maybe they designed it That way so females can drive it with ease

one of my best friends who's a girl drives a 2006 WRX, her clutch is still heavier than the Z with the spring removed

KingZee · 05-11-2011, 03:32 PM

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Originally Posted by weiboy718

Maybe they designed it That way so females can drive it with ease

I don't see how the linear feel is easier though.

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JB1 Track Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Chicagoland Posts: 748 Drives: 09 Nissan 370Z sold Rep Power: 18	I finally drove my car today after taking the spring out. I like it a lot. Feels so much better. No more artificial linear crap. Yes, it takes a wee bit more effort to press the pedal down and there is a bit of free play at the top, but in my opinion these little down sides do not outweigh the benefits. I'll now try to find a softer spring to see if this will get rid of the free play and add some lateral stability without loosing the added feel. chuckt82 likes this. __________________ Black Fangs // Black rear Valance // Berk CBE // COBB post MAF tubes // K&N drop in filters // Setrab Oil Cooler // Stillen Sway bars // Z1 SS brake lines // Stillen brake cooling kit // Harness bar //

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F4iMerlin Base Member Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Bonaire, GA Age: 46 Posts: 45 Drives: 2010 Touring Rep Power: 15	After running it for a day, I decided, while it has a more realistic clutch feel, I didn't like the free-play in the pedal. Re-installed for now.

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OKC Z Base Member Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: OKC Posts: 205 Drives: '09 370z-$old 9/1/12 Rep Power: 15	I did this myself and all I can say i love it. Its alot smoother and easier to shift it kinda reminds me of the exedy hyper single i had in another car. The only thing that got me thinking was if there will be any negative side effects. You guys think it will mess something up in the tranny? They put it on for a reason, which I dont know why.

05-11-2011, 09:33 AM	#8 (permalink)
weiboy718 Track Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Bay Area Posts: 923 Drives: Infiniti G37 Rep Power: 16	When you guys mod your car do you worry about ruining something? This mod is by far the easiest that costs only a few minute of your time. I wouldn't worry about it too much. Guys had been running without that spring since 2009 and still no issues.