VK50VE in 370z??

DOOMMONKEY777 · 03-23-2011, 11:13 PM

IS it possible to drop a VK50VE engine in 370z?? I am Just curious because i saw on Wiki a 2007 Super GT Nissan 350Z, 490 hp (370 kW) and 380 ft·lbf with a VK45DE cuz i would just love a V8 in my Zzzz

link: Nissan VK engine - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

yes am a noob so quit pawning and just answer ty

90 ST · 03-24-2011, 12:06 AM

i would say depends how much you wanna spend...

Jamaica · 03-24-2011, 12:47 AM

$$$$$

DOOMMONKEY777 · 03-24-2011, 01:02 AM

i was thinking maybe a replacement drop in and maybe some custom welded fittings or something, basically will it fit?? and will the tranny bolt right up or do i have to get like a some sort of flange?? i am a welder and a tech but not a car tech, but capable of doing the job my self+friends that are car tech's+ forum help. So just throwing an idea out there cuz i dont mind rollin in a 5.0

Red__Zed · 03-24-2011, 01:21 AM

Usually, if you're asking these questions, you are probably not up to the job. I'm not aware of anyone that has made the swap into a 370.

Jordo! · 03-24-2011, 02:42 AM

Unless by some miracle there's something in the Nissan parts bin to make everything bolt up (i.e., another vehicle uses that motor and the same trans as the Z) you are looking at custom fabrication for motor mounts, a custom bell housing for the trans, and a whole lot of screwing around with various vaccum lines and other odds and ends. Then there's the cluster and ECU, which will probably have to be aftermarket. And lots of tuning.

It would probably almost be easier to rip everything down to the shell, and install the motor you want with the trans you want, the read end you want, assuming it will all more or less fit (might need to cut into the fire wall, etc.) at all, and then build the car back up around it.

Basically, if it won't bolt right up, it's a big custom job that will cost insane amounts of money and work. Even if you do it all yourself, it's going to take a loooong time to get it together. This is one of those projects where the car will probably be on a lift or in pieces for months (if not years).

You'd be better off either boosting the Z to get the power, or trading it in for a different car altogether.

Speaking of crazy (but more do-able) projects, I want someone to install a AWD G37 trans in a Z and boost that

DOOMMONKEY777 · 03-24-2011, 03:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jordo!

Unless by some miracle there's something in the Nissan parts bin to make everything bolt up (i.e., another vehicle uses that motor and the same trans as the Z) you are looking at custom fabrication for motor mounts, a custom bell housing for the trans, and a whole lot of screwing around with various vaccum lines and other odds and ends. Then there's the cluster and ECU, which will probably have to be aftermarket. And lots of tuning.

It would probably almost be easier to rip everything down to the shell, and install the motor you want with the trans you want, the read end you want, assuming it will all more or less fit (might need to cut into the fire wall, etc.) at all, and then build the car back up around it.

Basically, if it won't bolt right up, it's a big custom job that will cost insane amounts of money and work. Even if you do it all yourself, it's going to take a loooong time to get it together. This is one of those projects where the car will probably be on a lift or in pieces for months (if not years).

You'd be better off either boosting the Z to get the power, or trading it in for a different car altogether.

Speaking of crazy (but more do-able) projects, I want someone to install a AWD G37 trans in a Z and boost that

Custom motor mounts and bell housing for the tranny i can do that my self no problem, vaccum lines and all tho hoses also not a prob.

The ECU i was gonna keep since both of the motors use VVEL system of- course those 2 extra cylinders i was going to use a software in order to re-flash the ECU like Technosquare or Osiris not sure yet if it does work and if its not possible then reuse the FX50 ECU just re-flash it as well. Also connect everything that is possible to it all other components that r left make them manual or get rid of em.

Witch brings me to my current problem will the Z tranny bolt up and by the looks of the engine bay there isn't any room. You're right i have cut in to the fire wall just because of that, but if you move the radiator up front where there is space u might not even have to cut in to the firewall and just clear it.

and if the Z tranny wont bolt up then ill make this B***h AWD W/ a FX50 tranny= MHAhahahaha.

Damn more work for me but all this is in the future just trying to make something possible guys.

But man am gonna miss manual tranny. Am trying 2 do everything 2 keep it.

G37 awd also auto Bummer i rather V8 it and AWD w/ auto.

370z TT · 03-24-2011, 07:44 AM

To test and tune this motor, you are better off getting a motec ecu because it's a customizable as it gets. The amount of work and know how to actually build this thing is not worth it, and you are better off getting a GT-R.

m4a1mustang · 03-24-2011, 08:20 AM

I'm going to say its unlikely that you can get it to work without some serious money. The overhead cam V8's are pretty wide and will not just "drop in" without some major modification to the car. There is going to be a lot of suspension and frame modification required to make the engine fit, and a lot of trial and error to get the car to run right. If you're not willing to spend $50k+ on the project you're going to end up with a half-assed effort that hasn't been tested enough to ensure that EVERYTHING functions properly.

A better bet would be an LS engine. They fit in the 350s and would most likely fit in a 370 with less work than it required to cram in an OHC engine. Plus, it's a better engine than a VK50 anyways. More power, more potential, and more cost-effective. Not to mention you have a wide selection of transmission options.

1slow370 · 03-24-2011, 10:47 AM

knock the fenders back, use a vk56 titan engine, should bolt up to the new hr/vhr/vk bell-housing pattern, figure out the clutch, knock back the firewall, get a raised hood, fab in some new mounts, figure out if the oil pan will fit then, just throw a standalone at it.

Edit: Menard racing 700hp N/a drysump vk56 trophytruck engine.

Isamu · 03-24-2011, 10:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jordo!

Speaking of crazy (but more do-able) projects, I want someone to install a AWD G37 trans in a Z and boost that

This here would be AWESOME!!

and I have seen a VK dropped into a 300zx... just saying

ChipsWithDips · 03-24-2011, 12:30 PM

If you're going to go through the trouble, you might as well put a VK56VD in there.

DOOMMONKEY777 · 03-24-2011, 08:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by m4a1mustang

I'm going to say its unlikely that you can get it to work without some serious money. The overhead cam V8's are pretty wide and will not just "drop in" without some major modification to the car. There is going to be a lot of suspension and frame modification required to make the engine fit, and a lot of trial and error to get the car to run right. If you're not willing to spend $50k+ on the project you're going to end up with a half-assed effort that hasn't been tested enough to ensure that EVERYTHING functions properly.

A better bet would be an LS engine. They fit in the 350s and would most likely fit in a 370 with less work than it required to cram in an OHC engine. Plus, it's a better engine than a VK50 anyways. More power, more potential, and more cost-effective. Not to mention you have a wide selection of transmission options.

I see, so the plot thickens

[/QUOTE]knock the fenders back, use a vk56 titan engine, should bolt up to the new hr/vhr/vk bell-housing pattern, figure out the clutch, knock back the firewall, get a raised hood, fab in some new mounts, figure out if the oil pan will fit then, just throw a standalone at it.

Menard racing 700hp N/a drysump vk56 trophytruck engine.[/QUOTE]

Well i was thinking about a VK56, but i thought it would just be way tooo big.
If it bolts right up i rather go with it.

[/QUOTE]To test and tune this motor, you are better off getting a motec ecu because it's a customizable as it gets. The amount of work and know how to actually build this thing is not worth it, and you are better off getting a GT-R.[/QUOTE]

motec ECU sweet!!. And i dont really like the GT-R unless its the R34 Manual tranny baby Mmmm w/ a RB26DETT its like having a cake and eating it too

why o why didnt nissan let them test crash 5 R34's they would have made soo much $ in the US

[/QUOTE]I'm going to say its unlikely that you can get it to work without some serious money. The overhead cam V8's are pretty wide and will not just "drop in" without some major modification to the car. There is going to be a lot of suspension and frame modification required to make the engine fit, and a lot of trial and error to get the car to run right. If you're not willing to spend $50k+ on the project you're going to end up with a half-assed effort that hasn't been tested enough to ensure that EVERYTHING functions properly.

A better bet would be an LS engine. They fit in the 350s and would most likely fit in a 370 with less work than it required to cram in an OHC engine. Plus, it's a better engine than a VK50 anyways. More power, more potential, and more cost-effective. Not to mention you have a wide selection of transmission options. [/QUOTE]

And ive also seen an LS engine in an RX7, it had no heat or a/c and it was loud as hell, but damn it ran nice. Am just trying to keep it a JDM here
+ something unique.

i dont mind making the car AWD but i would also like to keep Manual tranny,

Thanx to all for all your help i am currently open for all ideas to make the car unique as possible so dont be afraid to drop a line and tell us all your story/wish list

m4a1mustang · 03-24-2011, 08:14 PM

I understand the whole JDM aspect, but in all honesty for the best results the LS is going to be your best bet. It's the most compact of all the V8 options you have out there, most reliable, most powerful, most moddable, most available... you get the point!

Good luck with whatever you end up doing!

90 ST · 03-24-2011, 08:50 PM

i've seen a 396 BBC in a street drivin Pontiac Firefly droptop, so i know anything is possible with some patients and money.

03-23-2011, 11:13 PM	#1 (permalink)
DOOMMONKEY777 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Crooklyn Posts: 1,008 Drives: 370Z 6psd-sport-pkg Rep Power: 21	VK50VE in 370z?? IS it possible to drop a VK50VE engine in 370z?? I am Just curious because i saw on Wiki a 2007 Super GT Nissan 350Z, 490 hp (370 kW) and 380 ft·lbf with a VK45DE cuz i would just love a V8 in my Zzzz link: Nissan VK engine - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia yes am a noob so quit pawning and just answer ty __________________ Kids don't do Drugs, Drugs are bad, so let the professional druggies do Drugs for you. 537whp/496lb/tq@8-9PSI 93 octane

03-24-2011, 01:02 AM	#4 (permalink)
DOOMMONKEY777 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Crooklyn Posts: 1,008 Drives: 370Z 6psd-sport-pkg Rep Power: 21	i was thinking maybe a replacement drop in and maybe some custom welded fittings or something, basically will it fit?? and will the tranny bolt right up or do i have to get like a some sort of flange?? i am a welder and a tech but not a car tech, but capable of doing the job my self+friends that are car tech's+ forum help. So just throwing an idea out there cuz i dont mind rollin in a 5.0 __________________ Kids don't do Drugs, Drugs are bad, so let the professional druggies do Drugs for you. 537whp/496lb/tq@8-9PSI 93 octane

03-24-2011, 02:42 AM	#6 (permalink)
Jordo! A True Z Fanatic Join Date: May 2010 Location: nirvana Posts: 6,394 Drives: 2023 NATM Rep Power: 418	Unless by some miracle there's something in the Nissan parts bin to make everything bolt up (i.e., another vehicle uses that motor and the same trans as the Z) you are looking at custom fabrication for motor mounts, a custom bell housing for the trans, and a whole lot of screwing around with various vaccum lines and other odds and ends. Then there's the cluster and ECU, which will probably have to be aftermarket. And lots of tuning. It would probably almost be easier to rip everything down to the shell, and install the motor you want with the trans you want, the read end you want, assuming it will all more or less fit (might need to cut into the fire wall, etc.) at all, and then build the car back up around it. Basically, if it won't bolt right up, it's a big custom job that will cost insane amounts of money and work. Even if you do it all yourself, it's going to take a loooong time to get it together. This is one of those projects where the car will probably be on a lift or in pieces for months (if not years). You'd be better off either boosting the Z to get the power, or trading it in for a different car altogether. Speaking of crazy (but more do-able) projects, I want someone to install a AWD G37 trans in a Z and boost that __________________ Enjoy it. Destroy it. Last edited by Jordo!; 03-24-2011 at 02:49 AM.

03-24-2011, 08:20 AM	#9 (permalink)
m4a1mustang A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Northern VA Posts: 55,385 Drives: on two wheels Rep Power: 6962	I'm going to say its unlikely that you can get it to work without some serious money. The overhead cam V8's are pretty wide and will not just "drop in" without some major modification to the car. There is going to be a lot of suspension and frame modification required to make the engine fit, and a lot of trial and error to get the car to run right. If you're not willing to spend $50k+ on the project you're going to end up with a half-assed effort that hasn't been tested enough to ensure that EVERYTHING functions properly. A better bet would be an LS engine. They fit in the 350s and would most likely fit in a 370 with less work than it required to cram in an OHC engine. Plus, it's a better engine than a VK50 anyways. More power, more potential, and more cost-effective. Not to mention you have a wide selection of transmission options. __________________ - Steve Zs & Coffee - Saturdays at 10AM in Fairfax, VA and Columbia, MD (Click the banner!) LIKE us on Facebook! Last edited by m4a1mustang; 03-24-2011 at 08:22 AM.

03-24-2011, 10:47 AM	#10 (permalink)
1slow370 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: In the D Posts: 3,732 Drives: v8 74 260z ;) Rep Power: 7251	knock the fenders back, use a vk56 titan engine, should bolt up to the new hr/vhr/vk bell-housing pattern, figure out the clutch, knock back the firewall, get a raised hood, fab in some new mounts, figure out if the oil pan will fit then, just throw a standalone at it. Edit: Menard racing 700hp N/a drysump vk56 trophytruck engine. __________________ ANSWER PRICE LIST Answers - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - $0.75 Answers (requiring thought) - - - - $1.25 Answers (correct) - - - - - - - - - - $12.50 Last edited by 1slow370; 03-24-2011 at 10:50 AM.

03-24-2011, 12:06 AM	#2 (permalink)
90 ST A True Z Fanatic Join Date: May 2010 Location: Calgary Posts: 1,861 Drives: 90 and 15 GMC Sierra Rep Power: 421	i would say depends how much you wanna spend...

03-24-2011, 12:47 AM	#3 (permalink)
Jamaica A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: SoCal Posts: 15,362 Drives: Under boost Rep Power: 73	$$$$$

03-24-2011, 01:21 AM	#5 (permalink)
Red__Zed A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: window seat Posts: 28,940 Drives: Mostly on two wheels Rep Power: 120	Usually, if you're asking these questions, you are probably not up to the job. I'm not aware of anyone that has made the swap into a 370.

03-24-2011, 07:44 AM	#8 (permalink)
370z TT Base Member Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: New Jersey Posts: 160 Drives: 2010 Nissan 370z Rep Power: 15	To test and tune this motor, you are better off getting a motec ecu because it's a customizable as it gets. The amount of work and know how to actually build this thing is not worth it, and you are better off getting a GT-R.

03-24-2011, 12:30 PM	#12 (permalink)
ChipsWithDips Enthusiast Member Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Austin, TX Posts: 279 Drives: '11 Gunmetal 370Z MT Rep Power: 14	If you're going to go through the trouble, you might as well put a VK56VD in there.

03-24-2011, 08:14 PM	#14 (permalink)
m4a1mustang A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Northern VA Posts: 55,385 Drives: on two wheels Rep Power: 6962	I understand the whole JDM aspect, but in all honesty for the best results the LS is going to be your best bet. It's the most compact of all the V8 options you have out there, most reliable, most powerful, most moddable, most available... you get the point! Good luck with whatever you end up doing! __________________ - Steve Zs & Coffee - Saturdays at 10AM in Fairfax, VA and Columbia, MD (Click the banner!) LIKE us on Facebook!

03-24-2011, 08:50 PM	#15 (permalink)
90 ST A True Z Fanatic Join Date: May 2010 Location: Calgary Posts: 1,861 Drives: 90 and 15 GMC Sierra Rep Power: 421	i've seen a 396 BBC in a street drivin Pontiac Firefly droptop, so i know anything is possible with some patients and money.