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Originally Posted by Red__Zed I don't get people's hangup with VVEL. You can tune the car just fine without adjusting VVEL. I'm sure you can. My problem with uprev is

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Old 03-16-2011, 01:04 PM   #1 (permalink)
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I don't get people's hangup with VVEL. You can tune the car just fine without adjusting VVEL.
I'm sure you can. My problem with uprev is the cost. For the price they charge for the cable and software I would expect to have much more control over the ECU.

Maybe it's because I came from a WRX to the 370Z, but the WRX community was much more..in general. Tuning software was open source and all you really had to buy was a cable ($75) to connect from your laptop to OBDII, download openECU (free) and romraider (free) and you were on your way.

To me, paying $700 for the same thing (with less features) just doesn't compute. However, it seems to be the norm for anything Z related. Charge more because you know people will pay for it.
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I'm sure you can. My problem with uprev is the cost. For the price they charge for the cable and software I would expect to have much more control over the ECU.

Maybe it's because I came from a WRX to the 370Z, but the WRX community was much more..in general. Tuning software was open source and all you really had to buy was a cable ($75) to connect from your laptop to OBDII, download openECU (free) and romraider (free) and you were on your way.

To me, paying $700 for the same thing (with less features) just doesn't compute. However, it seems to be the norm for anything Z related. Charge more because you know people will pay for it.

The Subaru market is bigger. Companies have to recoup their R and D costs, so you'll have a higher per-unit cost.

Somebody already stepped up and paid those costs for the Subaru community.
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