Oil Change

Bobba Booey · 04-17-2009, 11:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Jesse

motul actually spends hundreds of thousands on marketing

Fixed.

Don't get caught up in the hype. Motul is a racing oil, so if you car is used for purposes other than the track there are better options that cost much less money.

molamann · 04-17-2009, 03:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Jesse

I make good money, resesion proof job (smogs), and I have my own shop.....I can spare a few bucks. I just quit smoking too. Anyone who wants to quit, get chantax, couldnt have done it without it. REALLY!!

Oh and yes it is a racing oil so have it changed at 3000 miles, or sooner like me.

I've had some WICKED dreams with chantix but didn't help me to quit. However, I've been smoke free for 3 days now and that was because I was bedridden due to a surgery for two weeks. Hopefully I can keep it up.

/offtopic

wstar · 04-17-2009, 04:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Bobba Booey

Fixed.

Don't get caught up in the hype. Motul is a racing oil, so if you car is used for purposes other than the track there are better options that cost much less money.

The real world isn't a binary proposition between "drive like grandma" and "track it hard every day". There's a lot of in-between.

Bobba Booey · 04-17-2009, 04:44 PM

^ very true. That's why I can't understand why people would pay so much money for racing oil when there car will be used for purposes other than racing.

ChrisSlicks · 04-17-2009, 04:50 PM

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Originally Posted by molamann

I've had some WICKED dreams with chantix but didn't help me to quit. However, I've been smoke free for 3 days now and that was because I was bedridden due to a surgery for two weeks. Hopefully I can keep it up.

/offtopic

Give me your address. If you get tempted to start up again I'll send around a friend to break both your legs and send you back to bed for a while

Keep it up.

armensti · 04-18-2009, 04:27 AM

the guy that told me about motul said that its the best out there and he had a customer there and he asked him how motul was working for him and he said great. the mechanic said that once i make the change i will never go back so im hoping its worth the price.

how can not using ester oil void your warranty? its says use 5w-30 in the maintenance book right? so how can it void your warranty? is there any truth to that?

semtex · 04-19-2009, 05:01 PM

In case anyone is wondering, here's what the Project Kics magnetic drain plug that we were discussing a few pages back looks like installed:

armensti · 04-19-2009, 11:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Jesse

I dont know about the other states, but in california, if you follow the warranty (which SHOULD be avail and easy to understand) the court will ALWAYS side with the consumer. Dealerships know this and they can be shisty or they will bully a bit....but if you even mention the Buearu of Automotive Repair (B.A.R.) or getting a lawer, they will give in to your demands for sure. Here in California, the state will not hesitate to shut your @SS down.

so if the maintenance booklet says 5w-30 then you can pretty much use any good brand of oil if its 5W-30 and they cant do **** about it right?

molamann · 04-19-2009, 11:39 PM

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Originally Posted by semtex

In case anyone is wondering, here's what the Project Kics magnetic drain plug that we were discussing a few pages back looks like installed:

I'm guessing it's a worthwhile investment for $18? Do they use regular washers found in benchstocks?

dad · 04-20-2009, 12:57 AM

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Originally Posted by molamann

I'm guessing it's a worthwhile investment for $18? Do they use regular washers found in benchstocks?

KICS-DRAIN-PLUGKics Project Magnetic Drain Plug 1 $16.00 $16.00PLUG-SIZE: MAG2-23296 Shipping:UPS Ground: $7.93Sales Tax: $1.48-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Total: $25.41

I ordered it on the 10th of this month, I'm still waiting! I could have drove the 60 miles and picked it up. If you order one, order well ahead of your scheduled oil change!

semtex · 04-20-2009, 09:26 AM

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Originally Posted by dad

KICS-DRAIN-PLUGKics Project Magnetic Drain Plug 1 $16.00 $16.00PLUG-SIZE: MAG2-23296 Shipping:UPS Ground: $7.93Sales Tax: $1.48-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Total: $25.41

I ordered it on the 10th of this month, I'm still waiting! I could have drove the 60 miles and picked it up. If you order one, order well ahead of your scheduled oil change!

That's weird. I had mine in 5 days. I wonder if they ran out of them or something.

wstar · 04-20-2009, 12:56 PM

Well, I have to play devil's advocate here, even though I have some Motul on order...

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Originally Posted by Jesse

Because, if oil does well in the harshest environment or running condition, then it must be EXTRA good when just cruzin around.

It's not necessarily true that racing parts and fluids are even better on the street, although it often works out well. Remember that in higher-end racing, engines are constantly rebuilt and fluids are changed after every race. Therefore they don't really need to worry about long-term wear, they just want protection from failure for one race, and the thinnest fluid they can put in there because thin, slippery oil gives a little horsepower bump.

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Some other cool things about MOTUL, its made from veggies! Vegetable oil, which will not have the impurities of crude oil.

All oils have to be purified and refined, including vegetable oils. It's not like the veggies are grown in a clean room, and even if they were you still have plant matter to separate out.

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Because of this it is also HIGHLY biodegradable.

Personally, I don't give a crap about whether the oil is biodegradable, and I bet you still have to dispose of it at the oil dropoff at your favorite auto parts place. You're involved in CA EPA stuff: do you think an EPA representative would witness you dumping Motul into the soil and be ok with that?

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If you smell it, you will want to drink it....smells like fruit punch. Also has a cool glow stick color to it.

I don't plan on drinking my motor oil, and I would never put fruit punch or glow-stick fluid in my engine, so this is irrelevant.

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I read that it is polarized meaning magnetic. I couldn't manipulate it with some magnets I had at work but this doesn't prove anything though.

Polarized does not mean magnetic in the general sense, although permanent magnets can be said to have the majority of their atoms aligned along a given polarity axis. Here's a video about ferrofluids, which are actual magnetic liquids. Motul does not do this:

sensi09 · 04-20-2009, 02:19 PM

Have not read the whole thread, but in many of the oil analysis tests done, Motul has not performed well on the VQ. Well at least in past generations of the VQ engine.

Bobba Booey · 04-20-2009, 05:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Jesse

Because, if oil does well in the harshest environment or running condition, then it must be EXTRA good when just cruzin around.

Just because an oil is good for racing doesn't mean it will be good for street driven cars. In fact, it might mean just the opposite. Here's a chart from the VQ35DE and Motul's numbers are worse than Castrol GTX.

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Originally Posted by Resolute at my350z

Here's a comparison chart I've made to highlight oils whose results, when averaged according to engine wear for every 1000 miles of use, stand out as a significant statistical difference from the mean. I divided the engine wear for each metal by the mileage for each and every UOA I have, and then multiplied that by 1000 to generate a ppm for every 1000 miles driven. I then found the average for each wear metal (iron, copper, etc..) for all the UOA results and the standard deviation of each wear metal result from the average. This chart shows the average wear for each current oil tested in terms of ppm/1000 miles. The cells with a green background are better than one standard deviation from the average. The cells with a red background are worse than one standard deviation from the average. The average and SD, remember, is calculated from ALL the samples I have from the VQ. The average wear characteristics of some oils used in the VQ which are no longer in production I have also included in a separate table.

The interesting thing is to note which oils are statistically significant in terms of better or worse wear from the universal average for each wear metal. It would be nice to have multiple samples from some of these oils before the manufacturer changes formulas again.

This chart is from one of the best oil threads I have seen. Check out the thread if you have a few spare hours.

VQ Oil Analysis and Info

molamann · 04-20-2009, 06:07 PM

Wow @ Torco

04-19-2009, 05:01 PM	#97 (permalink)
semtex A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Behind enemy lines Age: 54 Posts: 5,995 Drives: People to drink Rep Power: 33	In case anyone is wondering, here's what the Project Kics magnetic drain plug that we were discussing a few pages back looks like installed: __________________ "There are no small accidents on this circuit." -- Ayrton Senna 316.8whp & 248 ft/lbs (Dyno Dynamics) \| 319whp & 256 ft/lbs (DynoJet) (04/23/10) Stillen G3 CAI, CBE, Pulley / F.I. LTH / GTSpec Ladder Brace / Setrab Oil Cooler / UpRev-tuned by Forged Perf.

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04-17-2009, 04:44 PM	#94 (permalink)
Bobba Booey Base Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Sirius Posts: 51 Drives: Z33 Rep Power: 17	^ very true. That's why I can't understand why people would pay so much money for racing oil when there car will be used for purposes other than racing.

04-18-2009, 04:27 AM	#96 (permalink)
armensti Enthusiast Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: CA Posts: 447 Drives: 370Z/Tring/Spt/6MT Rep Power: 16	the guy that told me about motul said that its the best out there and he had a customer there and he asked him how motul was working for him and he said great. the mechanic said that once i make the change i will never go back so im hoping its worth the price. how can not using ester oil void your warranty? its says use 5w-30 in the maintenance book right? so how can it void your warranty? is there any truth to that?

04-20-2009, 02:19 PM	#103 (permalink)
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04-20-2009, 06:07 PM	#105 (permalink)
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