Everyone with oil temp issues

TheWeatherman · 05-19-2009, 06:38 PM

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Originally Posted by wstar

Just read SoCal's GTR link too. They're stating an extended oil drain interval if you keep the oil under 230, a shorter (but reasonable) one if your oil is running in the 230-266 range, and 'change as soon as possible' if you break 266. Different engine (and different recommended oil), but it's still Nissan, it's still based on the same platform, and those numbers look a lot more reasonable and normal to me than the idea that 250-280 is 'ideal' for our engines when running hard.

Would the GT-R's Turbos have anything to do with that? I know they are lubed by the oil. Too hot= coking? Just a guess. I'm just giving you the info I heard. I don't want to get flamed. I just never get why a business would want to lie to get ahead. We'll see. I'm glad you are all feeding back.

I'm with Spearfish. We're getting a warranted oil cooler. That's cool! Literally! (Oh, Spearfish, it's a Nissan Motorsports one. Is that Nismo? I'm a rookie with that brand. I'm usually Mr. Stock.)

wstar · 05-19-2009, 06:44 PM

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Originally Posted by TheWeatherman

Would the GT-R's Turbos have anything to do with that? I know they are lubed by the oil. Too hot= coking? Just a guess. I'm just giving you the info I heard. I don't want to get flamed. I just never get why a business would want to lie to get ahead. We'll see. I'm glad you are all feeding back.

I'm with Spearfish. We're getting a warranted oil cooler. That's cool! Literally! (Oh, Spearfish, it's a Nissan Motorsports one. Is that Nismo? I'm a rookie with that brand. I'm usually Mr. Stock.)

I'm not trying to flame you, but I am saying I have reservations about the veracity of what you've heard from the guy you talked to.

Modshack · 05-19-2009, 07:43 PM

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Originally Posted by wstar

So all I'm saying is, I expect the Nismo cooler option to have a thermo, and for that thermo to be set significantly higher than 180, for any of this to make sense. 220 would be reasonable, maybe 230-240 though given what he's saying.

My gut feeling is that their thermo, if any, will be at 180 and invalidate the guy, but I could be wrong.

Interesting that Mocal, one of the larger suppliers of Oil Contol systems makes the 180 degree thermo standard on all their thermostatic sandwich plates (what I just put on my car) Info: http://64.202.180.37/files/sp1t.pdf

Another interesting factoid: The High heat temperature that is used to calculate Viscosity in standardized oil testing is 212 degrees..

spearfish25 · 05-19-2009, 08:17 PM

Just to play the devil's advocate...

When has anything you've read about the VQ engine been 'standard'? All I've ever seen about it is how it's extremely difficult to disassemble and modify, benefits from a special ester oil, has unconventional coatings on some of its surfaces...just to name a few.

I wouldn't be surprised if the engine was designed to run a bit hotter than some other motors people have previously experienced.

(ducking my head to avoid the flogging of ensuing replies)

Junior370z · 05-19-2009, 09:11 PM

I have a question... How much is their thermostatically controlled oil cooler going to run us? Sounds pricey especially if you add the dealers labor price. I'm thinking between $$-$$$!

ChrisSlicks · 05-19-2009, 10:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Junior370z

I have a question... How much is their thermostatically controlled oil cooler going to run us? Sounds pricey especially if you add the dealers labor price. I'm thinking between $$-$$$!

It will be over $1000 installed by the dealer.

Junior370z · 05-19-2009, 11:09 PM

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Originally Posted by ChrisSlicks

It will be over $1000 installed by the dealer.

Damn that's a little too high for most people just for an oil cooler.

travisjb · 05-19-2009, 11:22 PM

So, big thanks to all 73 of you that took our oil overheating survey... here are the results... some observations:

- owners with automatic transmissions are 85% more likely to say "all is good"
- owners that track their car are 2.5x as likely to experience temps over 260F, and 8x as likely to hit limp mode
- yet still, we registered almost 1 in 10 hitting limp mode only on the street, and 1 in 3 only on the street reporting temps above 260F

In case you're wondering what "average disposition to nissan" means... that was the question where we asked: "TO WHAT EXTENT DO YOU AGREE WITH THE FOLLOWING STATEMENT: Nissan has failed to properly engineer this vehicle and it does not meet my expectations due to the oil overheating issue. Nissan should take immediate action to correct the situation."

'5' means "strongly agree"... a '1' means strongly disagree... this is the average score for each group

source: Oil Temp Survey

smartbomb · 05-20-2009, 02:44 AM

Excellent data!

sylenze · 05-20-2009, 02:56 AM

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Originally Posted by TheWeatherman

Okay folks. Just got off the phone with someone a step up from my Midwest Regional CS Manager. First, this person races cars for fun. He races street cars. His favorite track is Road America in Wisconsin. This guy knows his stuff. He's not a kid and has been doing this a long time. 250 to 280 to him is optimal engine oil temperature for high performance driving, and he urged anyone to just look it up from reputable sources. Also, I must say, this person could not have been nicer. They're motto right now is "prove it on the street.".

i think the start of your statement is the problem itself... this guys doesn't even have a proper title... a step up from midwest regional CS manager... tells me nothing... he knows how to race and sets cars up to race just put him in the same level of knowledge as most of the forum members... it is a fallacy to say that just because this guys states such and such makes it a fact with mediocre background... the only fact i can see from this statement is that he works for CUSTOMER SERVICE and not engineering nor development... i do not mean to offend but it is insulting for you to belittle the issue with unfounded facts/sources... its like getting a weather forecast from somebody who's hobby is to watch the clouds in the sky and dance around in the rain...

TheWeatherman · 05-20-2009, 03:31 AM

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Originally Posted by sylenze

i think the start of your statement is the problem itself... this guys doesn't even have a proper title... a step up from midwest regional CS manager... tells me nothing... he knows how to race and sets cars up to race just put him in the same level of knowledge as most of the forum members... it is a fallacy to say that just because this guys states such and such makes it a fact with mediocre background... the only fact i can see from this statement is that he works for CUSTOMER SERVICE and not engineering nor development... i do not mean to offend but it is insulting for you to belittle the issue with unfounded facts/sources... its like getting a weather forecast from somebody who's hobby is to watch the clouds in the sky and dance around in the rain...

I forgot the title... Quality contol something something? It's not like we were sitting there talking about the name of his job. Jesus. Yeah, I really tried to belittle you. Sorry I'm actually getting things done about this problem, and talking to someone besides a desk jockey at consumer affairs.

chubbs · 05-20-2009, 12:25 PM

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Originally Posted by sylenze

i think the start of your statement is the problem itself... this guys doesn't even have a proper title... a step up from midwest regional CS manager... tells me nothing... he knows how to race and sets cars up to race just put him in the same level of knowledge as most of the forum members... it is a fallacy to say that just because this guys states such and such makes it a fact with mediocre background... the only fact i can see from this statement is that he works for CUSTOMER SERVICE and not engineering nor development... i do not mean to offend but it is insulting for you to belittle the issue with unfounded facts/sources... its like getting a weather forecast from somebody who's hobby is to watch the clouds in the sky and dance around in the rain...

Harsh.

Perhaps you'd like to let us know what YOU are doing to help solve the problem? If you're not doing much, maybe you'd like to be a little less rude to Weatherman, who is actually getting somewhere.

SoCal 370Z · 05-20-2009, 01:09 PM

TheWeatherman,

Can I please ask the process you used to get to a Regional CS Manager? Thanks.

Modshack · 05-20-2009, 01:30 PM

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Originally Posted by SoCal 370Z

TheWeatherman,

Can I please ask the process you used to get to a Regional CS Manager? Thanks.

LOL...Just call the number in your Owners manual. Ask for the CS manager. Most OEM's have regional offices staffed by Customer Service people or possibly the calls are routed through the National office. The are schooled to schmooz the customer and work with the local service reps and dealers to also schmooz the customers. The service rep is the "Boots on the ground" and will ultimately pull the strings to get issues handled. Engineering issues are pushed up the line for home office guys to deal with. Hopefully, after the customers are schmoozed everyone is happy. Sometimes not. I was a Factory guy for Honda for 21 years, so I have a little insight....

SoCal 370Z · 05-20-2009, 01:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Modshack

LOL...Just call the number in your Owners manual. Ask for the CS manager. Most OEM's have regional offices staffed by Customer Service people or possibly the calls are routed through the National office. The are schooled to schmooz the customer and work with the local service reps and dealers to also schmooz the customers. The service rep is the "Boots on the ground" and will ultimately pull the strings to get issues handled. Engineering issues are pushed up the line for home office guys to deal with. Hopefully, after the customers are schmoozed everyone is happy. Sometimes not. I was a Factory guy for Honda for 21 years, so I have a little insight....

The reason for the query is that there is a process that Nissan is requesting, and I want to see whether he followed it or not. Yes, I know you can escalate matters, but I am interested in other issues.

05-19-2009, 09:11 PM	#530 (permalink)
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travisjb A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: GSO Posts: 2,803 Drives: VIR Rep Power: 188	So, big thanks to all 73 of you that took our oil overheating survey... here are the results... some observations: - owners with automatic transmissions are 85% more likely to say "all is good" - owners that track their car are 2.5x as likely to experience temps over 260F, and 8x as likely to hit limp mode - yet still, we registered almost 1 in 10 hitting limp mode only on the street, and 1 in 3 only on the street reporting temps above 260F In case you're wondering what "average disposition to nissan" means... that was the question where we asked: "TO WHAT EXTENT DO YOU AGREE WITH THE FOLLOWING STATEMENT: Nissan has failed to properly engineer this vehicle and it does not meet my expectations due to the oil overheating issue. Nissan should take immediate action to correct the situation." '5' means "strongly agree"... a '1' means strongly disagree... this is the average score for each group source: Oil Temp Survey __________________ 2009 370Z #104 For Sale

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