Everyone with oil temp issues

tbonesteak · 04-23-2009, 05:04 PM

Robert,

I think alan is trying to tell you that the principle is what matters at this point, not the fact that the car is faulty. Nissan forsaw the problem hence they installed parts not available to public on test cars to "hide" the problem. Like he said, if Nissan had addressed even on the manual stating that the oil can get hot under aggressive driving and to purchase an oil cooler, that wouldn't have been as bad. We all know we're getting a good deal on such a high performance car. All we want is some sort of a transparency from Nissan revealing the vehicle's tendency to overheat rather than completely bandaiding the problem where we find out anyways.

jayem76 · 04-23-2009, 05:21 PM

I've read through this whole thread. I'm still deciding on whether to buy this car. I think everyone has valid points.

Robert's message makes a lot of sense though. Its a production car. There aren't any advertisements out there that say the 370z is track ready (at least i didn't see any). If there are ads, please post them. Then I'd say there's more reason to be upset with Nissan.

The Nismo 370z, however, is being called an out-of-the-box track car. Now if that car has overheating issues on the track, I'd be a little more pissed off about it.

What to do, what to do??? I think I'm going on another test drive this weekend...

Robert_Nash · 04-23-2009, 05:22 PM

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Originally Posted by tbonesteak

Robert,

I think alan is trying to tell you that the principle is what matters at this point, not the fact that the car is faulty. Nissan forsaw the problem hence they installed parts not available to public on test cars to "hide" the problem. Like he said, if Nissan had addressed even on the manual stating that the oil can get hot under aggressive driving and to purchase an oil cooler, that wouldn't have been as bad. We all know we're getting a good deal on such a high performance car. All we want is some sort of a transparency from Nissan revealing the vehicle's tendency to overheat rather than completely bandaiding the problem where we find out anyways.

I just don't see it that way, at least not based on what I know now.

If the engine oil temp is a problem primarily or only for those tracking their car (or who drive the same way even when not on the track) then I don't see it as a problem although I do think Nissan needs to get some Nismo products out there for those who do want to track their car.

If there is a problem with people on the street under normal use/weather conditions then that's quite another story. However, based on what I've read and experienced and discussed with people, I am doubtful that this is going to be an issue for people away from the track.

I'm really not sure what you feel Nissan has done to bandaid the problem? I think it more a matter that Nissan doesn't think this is a poblem, at least not for other than those putting their cars on the track.

I guess we'll just have to see what happens....it gets pretty hot here in the summer time so if it's going to be a probem on the street I'm sure I'll experience it.

scorpion90 · 04-23-2009, 05:47 PM

Thanks for sharing your experience and info. I feel better about the oil issue after reading your post. Change oil and filter at short intervals should provide adequate protection.

SoCal 370Z · 04-23-2009, 05:52 PM

This issue whether real or not has just curbed my wife driving it to see her parents this weekend where she will be dealing with road grades, high elevation, and heat. The last thing either of us wants is to her stranded two-hundred miles away and having to deal with an overheating problem. After careful consideration and the thought of recording an overheating issue for use in a lemon law first filing we both decided her safety was too important. Since it is the first time we have encountered having to make this decision Nissan gets a reprieve, but there will no second time as summer is approaching and if 370z's are overheating this car will be gone using the lemon law.

k.alexander · 04-23-2009, 05:59 PM

^ I dont know. I've had the car on many multi-hundred mile trips already and to me it just feels like a new car (read: reliable). I think you might be over-worrying just a tad too much, SoCal

SoCal 370Z · 04-23-2009, 06:36 PM

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Originally Posted by k.alexander

^ I dont know. I've had the car on many multi-hundred mile trips already and to me it just feels like a new car (read: reliable). I think you might be over-worrying just a tad too much, SoCal

You need to tell that to my wife as she is one who driving it alone on the trip. I can tell you from experience that when my wife is done with a car she leaves the keys for me (versus leaving them in her purse) at that point she never drives it again; she just states they we need to purchase another one.

semtex · 04-23-2009, 06:53 PM

Here's a better pic:

tbonesteak · 04-23-2009, 08:09 PM

Summer will tell the story....Hang on guys. Justice will be served as always - it seems like we have a pretty strong voice here being that we will all back each other up once something happens. I will pick up my z in a few weeks now and hopefully everything will work out. Socal, HAHAHA that sounds pretty familiar. My gf - once she doesn't like something, she will just abandon it. ROFL

Speedy10 · 04-23-2009, 09:12 PM

We had 90+* this week in cali.... Well, on the freeway with NO traffic and windows down, saw 265 on the gauge....... Don't want to think about what it would have hit in stop and go traffic.

wstar · 04-23-2009, 09:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Speedy10

We had 90+* this week in cali.... Well, on the freeway with NO traffic and windows down, saw 265 on the gauge....... Don't want to think about what it would have hit in stop and go traffic.

That's scary if it was casual driving. Was this 6MT or 7AT? We're you playing around in the higher revs, or just cruising in top gear?

We've had a few almost-hot days here in Houston lately, but nothing close to what it will be like by mid-summer. So far I don't think my oil temps will be an issue in the summer for casual driving, based on what I've seen. Not-so-casual driving, even on the streets, may prove to be an issue in the Houston summertime though. We'll see how it goes, it's hard to predict what truly hot weather will do.

Robert_Nash · 04-23-2009, 09:34 PM

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Originally Posted by SoCal 370Z

You need to tell that to my wife as she is one who driving it alone on the trip. I can tell you from experience that when my wife is done with a car she leaves the keys for me (versus leaving them in her purse) at that point she never drives it again; she just states they we need to purchase another one.

Obviously, you need a new wife (or none at all)

jbbrann · 04-23-2009, 09:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SoCal 370Z

You need to tell that to my wife as she is one who driving it alone on the trip. I can tell you from experience that when my wife is done with a car she leaves the keys for me (versus leaving them in her purse) at that point she never drives it again; she just states they we need to purchase another one.

Well, you could let her drive the car and when she is done you could convince her that you're sure she would like the GT-R better.

Robert_Nash · 04-23-2009, 09:46 PM

There seems to be some implication, at least, that this alleged problem is more prevalent in manual trans cars but I can't think of any logical reason why that would be.

Does anybody have any idea why a manual transmission car would be more likely to have an oil temp issue than an auto trans car?

travisjb · 04-23-2009, 11:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Robert_Nash

There seems to be some implication, at least, that this alleged problem is more prevalent in manual trans cars but I can't think of any logical reason why that would be.

Does anybody have any idea why a manual transmission car would be more likely to have an oil temp issue than an auto trans car?

Here's what I posted today over in Wstar's journal...

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Originally Posted by travisjb

There's prob some truth to your point that fewer AT folks are inclined to track their cars... and I agree the transmission itself isn't likely... and I also think this car runs hot regardless of transmission... but I think with the manual folks are spending more time at higher RPMs, which is a contributing factor... oil heats up with friction and I suspect friction increases non-linearly with RPMs... automatic transmissions should reduce time at higher RPMs vs manual b/c when it upshifts it does so with 99% precision... and I think realistically, most of us guys with manual transmissions are keeping on the gas at least a little between upshifts... and so for example even if we shift at 7,400 rpm, the car is running up to 7,800 rpm when the clutch is pressed... I suspect a lot of heat is building up between 7,500 and 8,000 rpm for the 6mts... Drivers can help by lifting the gas sooner, but I don't blame it all on us drivers, I think the engagement points in the clutch are too high in the pedal stroke... Based on my own experience and from watching videos of guys driving this car, I'm convinced it is happening a lot... until I find some AT guys overheating, I'm going to keep asking the question... sorry for the long-winded explanation!

Honestly, I have no data to back this theory up... other than an observation that folks on this board with 6MT seem to be the only ones overheating to the point of limp mode (so far!)...

WStar made the reasonable point that it should be rev limited even with the clutch in... my car's in the shop so I can't test that, but I seem to remember that mine shot above 7,500 w/ clutch in... anyone willing to check?

04-23-2009, 05:21 PM	#212 (permalink)
jayem76 Base Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Bay Area CA Posts: 11 Drives: 2007 Lexus IS 250 Rep Power: 16	I've read through this whole thread. I'm still deciding on whether to buy this car. I think everyone has valid points. Robert's message makes a lot of sense though. Its a production car. There aren't any advertisements out there that say the 370z is track ready (at least i didn't see any). If there are ads, please post them. Then I'd say there's more reason to be upset with Nissan. The Nismo 370z, however, is being called an out-of-the-box track car. Now if that car has overheating issues on the track, I'd be a little more pissed off about it. What to do, what to do??? I think I'm going on another test drive this weekend... Last edited by jayem76; 04-23-2009 at 05:22 PM. Reason: Removed Robert's post: too long...

04-23-2009, 05:52 PM	#215 (permalink)
SoCal 370Z A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: US of A Posts: 2,842 Drives: Answers Rep Power: 33	This issue whether real or not has just curbed my wife driving it to see her parents this weekend where she will be dealing with road grades, high elevation, and heat. The last thing either of us wants is to her stranded two-hundred miles away and having to deal with an overheating problem. After careful consideration and the thought of recording an overheating issue for use in a lemon law first filing we both decided her safety was too important. Since it is the first time we have encountered having to make this decision Nissan gets a reprieve, but there will no second time as summer is approaching and if 370z's are overheating this car will be gone using the lemon law. __________________ ( Click to show/hide ) Why I NEVER say NO to the Panda Lou Fusz!!!

04-23-2009, 05:59 PM	#216 (permalink)
k.alexander Base Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Philadelphia, PA Age: 45 Posts: 240 Drives: 09 Nissan 370Z PG M6 Rep Power: 714	^ I dont know. I've had the car on many multi-hundred mile trips already and to me it just feels like a new car (read: reliable). I think you might be over-worrying just a tad too much, SoCal __________________ -Are you coming to bed? -I can't. This is important. -What? -Someone is WRONG on the internet.

04-23-2009, 06:53 PM	#218 (permalink)
semtex A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Behind enemy lines Age: 54 Posts: 5,995 Drives: People to drink Rep Power: 32	Here's a better pic: __________________ "There are no small accidents on this circuit." -- Ayrton Senna 316.8whp & 248 ft/lbs (Dyno Dynamics) \| 319whp & 256 ft/lbs (DynoJet) (04/23/10) Stillen G3 CAI, CBE, Pulley / F.I. LTH / GTSpec Ladder Brace / Setrab Oil Cooler / UpRev-tuned by Forged Perf.

04-23-2009, 09:46 PM	#224 (permalink)
Robert_Nash Track Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Middle TN/Savannah GA Posts: 762 Drives: '14 Q60IPL/'14Armada Rep Power: 17	There seems to be some implication, at least, that this alleged problem is more prevalent in manual trans cars but I can't think of any logical reason why that would be. Does anybody have any idea why a manual transmission car would be more likely to have an oil temp issue than an auto trans car? __________________ Robert -My Basset Hound Is Smarter Than Your Honor Student and Barack Obama -

04-23-2009, 05:04 PM	#211 (permalink)
tbonesteak Track Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Socal Posts: 914 Drives: MY09 MB 6MT Rep Power: 375	Robert, I think alan is trying to tell you that the principle is what matters at this point, not the fact that the car is faulty. Nissan forsaw the problem hence they installed parts not available to public on test cars to "hide" the problem. Like he said, if Nissan had addressed even on the manual stating that the oil can get hot under aggressive driving and to purchase an oil cooler, that wouldn't have been as bad. We all know we're getting a good deal on such a high performance car. All we want is some sort of a transparency from Nissan revealing the vehicle's tendency to overheat rather than completely bandaiding the problem where we find out anyways.

04-23-2009, 05:47 PM	#214 (permalink)
scorpion90 Base Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Akron, Ohio Age: 76 Posts: 109 Drives: 370Z Base 7AT+Sports Rep Power: 283	Thanks for sharing your experience and info. I feel better about the oil issue after reading your post. Change oil and filter at short intervals should provide adequate protection.

04-23-2009, 08:09 PM	#219 (permalink)
tbonesteak Track Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Socal Posts: 914 Drives: MY09 MB 6MT Rep Power: 375	Summer will tell the story....Hang on guys. Justice will be served as always - it seems like we have a pretty strong voice here being that we will all back each other up once something happens. I will pick up my z in a few weeks now and hopefully everything will work out. Socal, HAHAHA that sounds pretty familiar. My gf - once she doesn't like something, she will just abandon it. ROFL

04-23-2009, 09:12 PM	#220 (permalink)
Speedy10 Base Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Sylmar,Ca Posts: 16 Drives: 09 370Z Rep Power: 16	We had 90+* this week in cali.... Well, on the freeway with NO traffic and windows down, saw 265 on the gauge....... Don't want to think about what it would have hit in stop and go traffic.

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