Originally Posted by alan93rsa Robert, There are costs to Nissan that are not evident at their point of sale. In my case it is in the lack of future points
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11-24-2009, 10:02 AM | #1096 (permalink) | |
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That’s because every “merkin” face magazine reviewer is going drive it (370Z) like it’s in a demolition derby! Cayman engines have a 20% failure rate by 60k miles and the 2009's with DFI have serious problems with carboning. The rear main seal problems are a sign of high quality? Hopefully VW can fix the entire BS………….I’ve owned Porsches in the past and hopefully the problems will get fix in the future! Merkin - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia |
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Actually I have purchased 2 Caymans since I got rid of the Z. The first was an '08' manual. I then drove an '09' with PDK and PASM and traded the '08' in on the '09'. The original plan was to buy a Nizmo when it came out. My sales guy new I wanted one. This gets back to the original point of Nissan's costs. Quote:
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20% failure rate at 60k. I don't think so. Just spoke to the regional rep today about the intakes and carbon. He said it can be an issue on DFI engines. Gasoline type and driving style are players in this game. The Audi R8 has this issue as well. Quote:
Robert, thanks I am really enjoying the new car. Almost forgot, the oil temp issue was my only complaint with the car.
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I'm from Ohio (in fact I'll be there tomorrow night) and in the (approximately) 33 years I spent there I never saw a single highway where you could legally drive triple digits for hours on end, or do flat-out quarter mile sprints all day (skid pads are pretty hard to find on public roads as well not to mention the fact the fact that capital punishment in Ohio is reserved for only two crimes, murder and speeding). Perhaps you've never seen what "journalists" do to vehicles they test but the fact that a vehicle is even running by the time they are done is somewhat amazing...everyone, Nissan included, has said that if you drive these cars that way you need an oil cooler; Nissan puts coolers on the cars that are being tested because when a these cars are driven the way they are for these tests it's needed...simple as that. I have nearly 16K on my coupe at this point...I've driven it about as hard on the street as most anybody here drives theirs (and still has a license) and that includes deserts and multiple 100+ degree days. My mechanic, who has been building and racing Nissan's for longer then most of the members of this forum here have been alive, says the oil temp these engines are seeing isn't a problem for this engine and he only has a cooler on the car he tracks. So, while it's just my opinion, I suspect that about 98% of this "oil temp problem" is due to the oil temp gauge Nissan put in the 370. That said, I am sorry you felt you had to sell you car.
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11-24-2009, 07:22 PM | #1100 (permalink) | |
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Alan………….I give you a +1 for your honesty…………Ok, maybe it’s a little less than 20%, 15% +/-, it’s still above the normal engine failure percentage. |
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Robert,
an interesting post. Do you know if your mechanic has an idea if the 350Z has similar oil temperatures? Perhaps he has seen a 350Z with an added oil temp gauge? I love the way the 370 looks, I'm just hesitant to pull the trigger on a purchase given the problems I had with oil consumption with my 2006 350Z. I am in South Florida where is it always hot, and the thought of driving around staring at the oil temperature all day bothers me. Thanks Adam |
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Funny stuff. Nissan owned Porsche in IMSA, they own them on-track now....and now they've pwned Porsche with a $35000 car plus legendary Japanese reliability.
Not to mention how Nissan pwned porsche at the $80K price point. "“We absolutely maintain (that) Tochio Suzuki – the chief test driver on the GT-R program pounded thousands of laps – he got to know every inch of Nurburgring (circuit) and how the car performs on the Nurburgring and hence set that fabulous lap. More than that, I can’t speculate. I can’t explain why they (Porsche GT3) couldn’t match the time.”
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Nissan Officially Responds To Porsche Skepticism, Recommends Driving Lessons
"We (Nissan) are aware that several auto makers have purchased the GT-R for their own testing and evaluation. Like all GT-R customers, we recommend that any auto maker buying a GT-R should follow the recommended run-in procedures, service schedules and maintenance to ensure the maximum performance from their car. In addition, we offer performance driving courses for prospective and current GT-R owners to help them get the best performance from their car. We would welcome the opportunity to help any auto manufacturer (Porsche) with understanding the full capabilities of the GT-R."
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To answer your next post, no, I've never hit limp mode and while I try to stay out of jail as much as possible; I don't baby my cars.
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Seems to me his coupe is still stock and he doesn't have any problems. Wow, man, let it go. You drive a very expensive, overpriced German car now, enjoy the inflated repair bills. Isn't there a Porsche forum you can go to and bash Nissan? Better yet, go to the GT-R forum where they will laugh at your car's lack of performance.
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I was as concerned as anyone reading all the doom and gloom posts (such as are in this thread). Early in my coupe's life the oil temps were reaching into the 250's with hard driving (notably on the Dragon and the Cherohala Skyway). But, it never got much above that and I never went into limp mode. Even with hard autocrossing; and hard runs on the Dragon, the Hellbender, the Skyway and the Devil's Triangle (to name a few) and a several thousand mile trip down Route 66 through 100+ degree days and southwestern desert and into Las Vegas I never encountered a problem with the oil temps and with using the Ester oil (as I've done without fail) and as the miles have added the temps have even dropped from the highest I've experienced. My discussion with my mechanic friend, who I've mentioned before, also said there was a non-issue unless tracking the car. When he talks about Nissans I listen - not only has he been building and racing Nissans for 30+ years but his shop is the shop Nissan uses to maintain the heritage collection...Nissan trusts him and so do I. I'd love to see the factory add an oil and/or transmission cooler; at least as an option but I doubt if more than 5% of the people who buy a 370 would ever actually need the option and I suspect that anyone routinely tracking their car would still need to add a larger oil cooler even if the factory supplied one so the option likely wouldn't even benefit those who probably most need it meaning it would be a wast of Nissan's money to do the tooling and design changes necessary to even offer it (and if they put them on every 370 then everyone would actually wind up paying for something they likely don't even need). With that said, my questions to you are why are you still "here" and still, apparently, upset about this (at least upset enough to keep posting in this thread)? I'm not suggesting you can't or shouldnt' be here - obviously you have as much right as anyone to be here but I don't see the point unless you just want to bash the 370. Why don't you just go out and enjoy your new Porsche and let us enjoy or Z's. P.S. For anyone not familiar withe the Dragon, Devil's Triangle, etc. I mentioned above; just google "The Tail Of The Dragon" and you'll pull up a ton of information about these roads/routes...truly some of the most beautiful and challenging pieces of asphalt anywhere in the world.
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