Everyone with oil temp issues

Robert_Nash · 11-24-2009, 10:08 AM

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Originally Posted by ConchZ2

That’s because every “merkin” face magazine reviewer is going drive it (370Z) like it’s in a demolition derby!

That's putting int mildly!

Trips · 11-23-2009, 08:28 PM

370Zsteve · 11-23-2009, 08:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Triple's

Well ima just askin'!

alan93rsa · 11-24-2009, 04:30 PM

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Why didn't you just put an oil cooler on rather than selling for a loss and buying a Cayman? Now you have the same performance, a car that is not nearly as pretty, and you are out a ton of money.

I chose not to put money into a car if the manufacturer chose not to own up to the issue.

Actually I have purchased 2 Caymans since I got rid of the Z. The first was an '08' manual. I then drove an '09' with PDK and PASM and traded the '08' in on the '09'.

The original plan was to buy a Nizmo when it came out. My sales guy new I wanted one. This gets back to the original point of Nissan's costs.

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That’s because every “merkin” face magazine reviewer is going drive it (370Z) like it’s in a demolition derby!

Then the solution for Nissan is simple. Let the journalists drive the car on the highways.

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Cayman engines have a 20% failure rate by 60k miles and the 2009's with DFI have serious problems with carboning. The rear main seal problems are a sign of high quality?

I'll give you the rear main seal. I replaced 2 on my 996.
20% failure rate at 60k. I don't think so.
Just spoke to the regional rep today about the intakes and carbon. He said it can be an issue on DFI engines. Gasoline type and driving style are players in this game. The Audi R8 has this issue as well.

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Hopefully VW can fix the entire BS………….I’ve owned Porsches in the past and hopefully the problems will get fix in the future!

VW may will fix the issues. However, it is a given that Carlos will merely go the smoke an mirrors route.

Robert, thanks I am really enjoying the new car.

Almost forgot, the oil temp issue was my only complaint with the car.

Robert_Nash · 11-24-2009, 06:20 PM

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Originally Posted by alan93rsa

...Then the solution for Nissan is simple. Let the journalists drive the car on the highways.

Alan, I mean no offense but a pretty silly comment.

I'm from Ohio (in fact I'll be there tomorrow night) and in the (approximately) 33 years I spent there I never saw a single highway where you could legally drive triple digits for hours on end, or do flat-out quarter mile sprints all day (skid pads are pretty hard to find on public roads as well not to mention the fact the fact that capital punishment in Ohio is reserved for only two crimes, murder and speeding).

Perhaps you've never seen what "journalists" do to vehicles they test but the fact that a vehicle is even running by the time they are done is somewhat amazing...everyone, Nissan included, has said that if you drive these cars that way you need an oil cooler; Nissan puts coolers on the cars that are being tested because when a these cars are driven the way they are for these tests it's needed...simple as that.

I have nearly 16K on my coupe at this point...I've driven it about as hard on the street as most anybody here drives theirs (and still has a license) and that includes deserts and multiple 100+ degree days. My mechanic, who has been building and racing Nissan's for longer then most of the members of this forum here have been alive, says the oil temp these engines are seeing isn't a problem for this engine and he only has a cooler on the car he tracks. So, while it's just my opinion, I suspect that about 98% of this "oil temp problem" is due to the oil temp gauge Nissan put in the 370.

That said, I am sorry you felt you had to sell you car.

ConchZ2 · 11-24-2009, 06:22 PM

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Originally Posted by alan93rsa

I chose not to put money into a car if the manufacturer chose not to own up to the issue.

Actually I have purchased 2 Caymans since I got rid of the Z. The first was an '08' manual. I then drove an '09' with PDK and PASM and traded the '08' in on the '09'.

The original plan was to buy a Nizmo when it came out. My sales guy new I wanted one. This gets back to the original point of Nissan's costs.

Then the solution for Nissan is simple. Let the journalists drive the car on the highways.

I'll give you the rear main seal. I replaced 2 on my 996.
20% failure rate at 60k. I don't think so.
Just spoke to the regional rep today about the intakes and carbon. He said it can be an issue on DFI engines. Gasoline type and driving style are players in this game. The Audi R8 has this issue as well.

VW may will fix the issues. However, it is a given that Carlos will merely go the smoke an mirrors route.

Robert, thanks I am really enjoying the new car.

Almost forgot, the oil temp issue was my only complaint with the car.

Alan………….I give you a +1 for your honesty…………Ok, maybe it’s a little less than 20%, 15% +/-, it’s still above the normal engine failure percentage.

Mag350Z · 11-24-2009, 09:05 PM

Robert,
an interesting post. Do you know if your mechanic has an idea if the 350Z has similar oil temperatures? Perhaps he has seen a 350Z with an added oil temp gauge?
I love the way the 370 looks, I'm just hesitant to pull the trigger on a purchase given the problems I had with oil consumption with my 2006 350Z. I am in South Florida where is it always hot, and the thought of driving around staring at the oil temperature all day bothers me.
Thanks

Adam

Mag350Z · 11-24-2009, 09:07 PM

Robert
I forgot to ask..have you experienced limp mode?

Thank you

370Zsteve · 11-24-2009, 09:40 PM

Funny stuff. Nissan owned Porsche in IMSA, they own them on-track now....and now they've pwned Porsche with a $35000 car plus legendary Japanese reliability.

Not to mention how Nissan pwned porsche at the $80K price point.

"“We absolutely maintain (that) Tochio Suzuki – the chief test driver on the GT-R program pounded thousands of laps – he got to know every inch of Nurburgring (circuit) and how the car performs on the Nurburgring and hence set that fabulous lap. More than that, I can’t speculate. I can’t explain why they (Porsche GT3) couldn’t match the time.”

Robert_Nash · 11-24-2009, 11:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Mag350Z

Robert,
an interesting post. Do you know if your mechanic has an idea if the 350Z has similar oil temperatures? Perhaps he has seen a 350Z with an added oil temp gauge?
I love the way the 370 looks, I'm just hesitant to pull the trigger on a purchase given the problems I had with oil consumption with my 2006 350Z. I am in South Florida where is it always hot, and the thought of driving around staring at the oil temperature all day bothers me.
Thanks

Adam

He has a 350 he tracks regularly...he put a cooler on it. The 350 like most cars need an additional oil cooler if you are going to drive it that that edge.

To answer your next post, no, I've never hit limp mode and while I try to stay out of jail as much as possible; I don't baby my cars.

alan93rsa · 11-25-2009, 08:45 AM

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Apr 14th, 2009, 03:14 PM #14 (permalink) Robert_Nashville
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Congratulations on your new ride.

I have a little over 3K on mine now and love it...I'm watching my oil temps closely as the oil is running hot with spirited driving.

As I understand it, there is a service bulletin out regarding using ester oil (a Penzoil product) so I'd suggest you check into that with your dealer.

It's very clear, however, that for anything other than "normal" driving, these cars need an engine oil cooler and possible a transmission cooler as well if you have the 7AT.
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Robert, It appears that all the way back in April you were having oil temp issues. Care to elaborate as to how you solved the oil temp issue?

370Zsteve · 11-25-2009, 08:54 AM

Seems to me his coupe is still stock and he doesn't have any problems. Wow, man, let it go. You drive a very expensive, overpriced German car now, enjoy the inflated repair bills. Isn't there a Porsche forum you can go to and bash Nissan? Better yet, go to the GT-R forum where they will laugh at your car's lack of performance.

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Modshack · 11-25-2009, 09:56 AM

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Originally Posted by 370Zsteve

Seems to me his coupe is still stock and he doesn't have any problems. Wow, man, let it go.

"Other than normal" would be track use. Robert did not cause whatever "issues" people think they are having, nor is he in a position to speak for Nissan on this issue. He's been more than forthcoming here..

ChrisSlicks · 11-25-2009, 10:03 AM

Easy there Steve, Alan's not bashing. He's just looking for an honest answer that no one at Nissan is willing to give, quite a few of us are, most of us have given up.

At this point I have no problem adding an oil cooler to my car, but I too find it disappointing that one was not available as a factory option given that all the press cars did. Sure the press are pretty hard on the cars, a couple of them were even crashed from the brakes giving out (different issue), but all the magazine reviews clearly listed the oil coolers as options - that weren't available. I for one am simply stunned that the Nismo doesn't come with a cooler standard from the factory, I'm sure Nissan has there reasons but they aren't talking. No one from Nissan will give you a straight and honest answer.

Modshack · 11-25-2009, 10:12 AM

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Originally Posted by ChrisSlicks

Easy there Steve, Alan's not bashing. He's just looking for an honest answer that no one at Nissan is willing to give, quite a few of us are, most of us have given up.

No one from Nissan will give you a straight and honest answer.

I think a statement has already been issued on this (many many pages ago):

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Originally Posted by Nissan USA
The 370Z has an engine protection system that reduces peak engine speeds when the oil temperature exceeds recommended levels in order to protect against possible engine damage. Aggressive driving of the 370Z on a race track at sustained high engine speeds can cause increases in oil temperature and may activate this engine protection system. To avoid activation of this engine protection system and these reduced peak engine speeds, Nissan recommends an oil cooler be fitted to the 370Z before driving it on a race track. A Nissan Motorsports accessory oil cooler kit is available for customer purchase through authorized Nissan dealerships for race track use. The part number is 21300-SS370.

An oil cooler is not necessary for normal operation of the vehicle on public roads. The addition of an oil cooler would have raised the price of the car and potentially moved it out of the reach of some customers. Value has been a core principle of the Z car since the original 240Z and we choose to uphold this core principle by not adding additional costs that are unnecessary for normal use. For those individuals who choose to drive their vehicle on a race track, the oil cooler is available as an aftersales item.

The oil cooler is a Nissan Motorsports item and as such is sold without warranty, express or implied, unless expressly prohibited by law in which case the warranty provided is the minimum required by law. The installation of the Nissan Motorsports oil cooler does not, by itself, “void” the vehicle warranty. However any damage caused by the installation or use of this part is expressly excluded under the terms of the Nissan New Vehicle Limited warranty.

11-24-2009, 09:40 PM	#9 (permalink)
370Zsteve A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Gold Coast CT Posts: 10,599 Drives: 2019 Corvette G.S. Rep Power: 43	Funny stuff. Nissan owned Porsche in IMSA, they own them on-track now....and now they've pwned Porsche with a $35000 car plus legendary Japanese reliability. Not to mention how Nissan pwned porsche at the $80K price point. "“We absolutely maintain (that) Tochio Suzuki – the chief test driver on the GT-R program pounded thousands of laps – he got to know every inch of Nurburgring (circuit) and how the car performs on the Nurburgring and hence set that fabulous lap. More than that, I can’t speculate. I can’t explain why they (Porsche GT3) couldn’t match the time.” __________________ SOLD MY Z MARCH 2018 - another Core OG moves on - new ride 2019 Z Corvette Grand Sport - no mods necessary but already have eyes on HFC and intakes LOL IT NEVER ENDS. Last edited by 370Zsteve; 11-24-2009 at 10:31 PM.

11-25-2009, 08:54 AM	#12 (permalink)
370Zsteve A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Gold Coast CT Posts: 10,599 Drives: 2019 Corvette G.S. Rep Power: 43	Seems to me his coupe is still stock and he doesn't have any problems. Wow, man, let it go. You drive a very expensive, overpriced German car now, enjoy the inflated repair bills. Isn't there a Porsche forum you can go to and bash Nissan? Better yet, go to the GT-R forum where they will laugh at your car's lack of performance. [YOUTUBEHQ]RkYgI1vExBA[/YOUTUBEHQ] __________________ SOLD MY Z MARCH 2018 - another Core OG moves on - new ride 2019 Z Corvette Grand Sport - no mods necessary but already have eyes on HFC and intakes LOL IT NEVER ENDS. Last edited by 370Zsteve; 11-25-2009 at 09:00 AM.

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ChrisSlicks A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: North East Posts: 6,203 Drives: 09 370Z Sport M6 Rep Power: 654	Easy there Steve, Alan's not bashing. He's just looking for an honest answer that no one at Nissan is willing to give, quite a few of us are, most of us have given up. At this point I have no problem adding an oil cooler to my car, but I too find it disappointing that one was not available as a factory option given that all the press cars did. Sure the press are pretty hard on the cars, a couple of them were even crashed from the brakes giving out (different issue), but all the magazine reviews clearly listed the oil coolers as options - that weren't available. I for one am simply stunned that the Nismo doesn't come with a cooler standard from the factory, I'm sure Nissan has there reasons but they aren't talking. No one from Nissan will give you a straight and honest answer.