Everyone with oil temp issues

mannyz

Im sorry Kanibul for the missunderstanding but that is not my point, and that is not what the law says, even that I do understand your point.

Yes the law it has to do with add-ons and any aftermarket part, what the law protect you from is from dealers that take the practice of looking at a mod, and they want to void the warranty of the car.

For example, you can install an oil cooler, and if u have problems with transmission, they cannot look at the car and tell you that your car is out of warranty because you install something that dont belong to the car. Thats when the law protect you, they have to take the car as it is, perform the regular diagnostic AND if after performing the their job they get to a conclusion the problem with the transmission was the oil cooler then they have to put it in writing and charge you whatever.

IF you change ur Wheels, and you have problems with suspensions, they have to take your car and perform their job, then decided if they are going to void warranty or not, and only for the part related not the whole car.

If you install and aftermarket radio, and ur lights don't work, they have to chek the car.

Using your example, if you install Nitrous on your car, yes they can void the warranty if something happen to the engine, but ONLY if something happen. But the law says that they cannot deny you warranty just by looking at the car and see the bottle.

etc. I think u got my point now.

kannibul

I guess my point/angle is that they can claim that the modifications to part A, exceeded design specifications for part B, causing part B to fail.

They could easily attribue any type engine modification to any driveline failure, and you lose your case.

In the case of wheels - people that are adding spacers - when the wheel bearings or ball joints fail, they could easily say that it changed the load on the wheel bearings/ball joints to exceed design specifications, and you're left holding the bag. Same thing with stretched tires and blowing the sidewalls...


Then there's the angle they can take with regards to abuse. If you damage the CV joints in the rear axles - wether you modified something or not, they could easily say that it was due to abuse.

The Act does have some angles where it can protect a consumer in the event of a warranty claim where something in the car has been modified - but there are still some very big loopholes...in other words, I wouldn't depend on the Magnuson-Moss Act alone...

mannyz

Kannibul, I read some of your points and they are good. This is how it works:

You install and aftermarket part on your car, lets say the Intake. You got the intake from a professional company that work and have years of experience building those parts. Something breaks on your car, lets say a Sensor goes bad. You take it to the dealer, they cannot tell you, that your warranty is voided because you install the intakes and thats maybe the problem, without even taking your car in. Thats when the law protects you, they have to take your car, like normal, and perform the diagnostic. They come back to you and tell you "yes the intake cost the problem on the sensor" by LAW they have to tell you in writing what they did, their test and how they got into that conclusion.

Then you take that documentation to Stillen, and tell them "your item cost me this damage, here is the dealer report, now you have to pay for it" Stille is going to defend themself in writing that their product has nothing to do with that. Thats when you hire and attorney and someone has to pay for that, but you will have the two big ones, Nissan and Stillen figthing for their rights.

And remember, this is for something that is worth going trough all that trouble. Thats your desicion. But with my old car, I had a Eclipse 4G, I moded the car with springs, intake, exahust, lambo doors, paint, radio system, LSD, wheels, and they never gave me problems after I explained the law to the manager. But everything with respect, like adults, and no fights.

So is really up to you.

mannyz

Let me throw an very good example guys about the Oil and Warranty.

Are you guys planning to go to the dealer and request the Nissan Special Oil for the oil change? The manual says they have that special oil to protect your engine!

Now here is the question, should Nissan void your warranty if something happen to the engine, because you are not using the oil that Nissan Says you have to use?

mannyz

You are right on those points. And yes because some dealers know about this law, they always try to find the way to blame everyhing on the mods or alteration. THe thing is (and this happened to me a lot with my previous car) that if they look at your car, open the hood, or see any modification, they cannot void the warranty of the car.

You know every law has its flaws they never cover everthing they have to. I guess thats when your personally has to come in place. In my case, the knowledge of the car, the knowledege of the parts I installed on my car, the law and most of it the respect against the Service Manager and the techs, helped me a lot.

Cause even if the law protect you, the dealer can bring the card of "we have the right to deny service and dont deal with this customer"

kannibul

Luckily, the warranty doesn't lock you into one dealer

mannyz

thats true, w my previous car, I went trough 3 dealers until I found one that had smart people in it.

Modshack

My Sump cooler idea in the DIY. No warranty issues....

http://www.the370z.com/diy-section-d...your-sump.html

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spearfish25

It's pretty amazing, but my temperature issues are essentially completely resolved on the street. Today was 94F and spirited driving home from work for 20 min didn't get the temps over 220F. 2500mi on the car running Nissan Ester Oil.

antennahead

It was in the high 90's here a few days ago, and I broke 240. It does seem to be running "less hot" the more miles I put on it. I wonder if there is any truth to the "more break-in" you have, the lower the temps, as some have suggested? Had I pushed it a little harder that day, I could have it 250.

John

kannibul

It was 101F here yesterday, though my car said it was 112F outside

Pretty bad when your car sits for 4 hours, and the oil temp is still above the minimum, and the coolant temp is still around where it normally sits!

Anyhow, with some spunky driving I cracked 220...in fact, I've yet to get it to 240.

The guys doing so must be REALLY pushing the car, or driving illegally on the streets - IMO...

wstar

I really wish people would stop pushing the "illegal" angle. For one, most people drive "illegally" on a regular basis, at least around here. Just try driving the speed limit on Beltway 8 and see what I mean. It's just a matter of the degree of illegality you're pushing.

But perhaps more importantly: pushing the car hard enough to heat up the oil does not automatically equate to driving "illegally". The two issues are orthogonal, and it's well within the realm of possibility to overheat the engine without breaking a single traffic law.

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kannibul

OK, has your oil temp gone over 230F by going 75 in a 65?

I'm saying that someone who is going over that has to be doing something illegal - more illegal than those who typically drive the same stretch of road(s)...

And, how exactly does one "push" the car to the point of overheating the oil and going into limp mode?

I don't drive mine like a saint (at all), and I've yet to...

wstar

Oil temperature has nothing to do with vehicle speed, it has everything to do with ambient temperature, engine revs, engine load, and airflow to the radiator/engine. To give a silly example, if you were to drive down the road in first gear at 6,500 rpm for several minutes straight (which is way under most street speed limits, much less highway), the oil would overheat in most ambient conditions. At that low vehicle speed you're not getting much cooling to the engine, and the high revs are going to cook the oil, and no laws have been violated.

Following the same logic it *is* possible, on a hot day driving around on smaller streets with lots of uphill, to keep the revs high while nailing it around a twisty set of corners and streets without exceeding the speed limit, and overheat the oil. If you're a particularly smooth driver you could even do it without attracting much attention or appearing to be doing anything reckless. Most people won't, but it can be done.

"It's illegal to overheat your car" is nonsensical, don't give Nissan ammo to avoid the issue with.

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antennahead

I don't drive illegally, unless you consider "going with the flow" on the interstate about 10 over illegal, which everyone does. I am a very safe driver, cognizant of conditions, as well as traffic density and flow. Accelerating through the gears, winding it out and observing speed limits, just enjoying the car (not granny shifting at 2500 RPM), will in high 90 degree heat run this thing up to 250 or 260, as wstar states. You could encounter traffic and have no or minimal airflow, after some nice driving, and it will shoot up as well.

John