Everyone with oil temp issues

wstar

Well a big part of that variance, aside from weather, is probably driving habits. Even when we try, it's hard to accurately convey exactly how we're driving, in terms of time spent at what RPMs under what kind of throttle, etc. Unless we all started doing datalogs of our daily driving to go with the temp reporting, that's going to account for a lot of the unknown factor.

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mannyz

Well I think if we all do, what we suppose to do. Call Nissan and address this issue with proof to Nissan, they have to do something. Theres a few threads already about this topic and we are all calling their respective Nissan Area and the Dealer, opening a case Number and bring the car.

We need to build evidence so Nissan at least think of doing something. So join the club and call Nissan, then take your car to the dealer. We need to get this fix somehow.

Modshack

Do you have a real problem or are you just subscribing to the Hysteria surrounding this issue as many here are? I'm betting that 99% of the people who take their cars into the dealership complaining are gonna get the "perfectly Normal" response. Think about it....tens of thousands of Z's have been sold worldwide. How many complainers here? How many real problems of a car hitting limp mode?.....30? 50? This is not enough to get Nissan to spend big bucks on a universal retrofit..

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mannyz

I do understand guys what ur saying. This will not be the first time I have to deal with dealership BS. I also do know that under normal circumtances the car wont heat up to the point of shutting down rpms. And like u guys said it all depend of the driving conditions, but hey it wont cost me anything to try and get their feed back. I will be prepared anyways, Im not just gona show up there and thats it. Im gona do print out from this website, from Motor trend, Edmunds, I will copy videos on CD's from professional driving testing the car and complaining about the oil temp as well.

The worst thing can happen is that they tell me, everything is fine which will get me to the same spot I am right now. So I dont lose anything

mannyz

Im collecting information and will create a document that I will hand to the Manager at the dealer. I called Nissan and they want me to go to dealer 1st. But I wait until next week, I have to drive to south FL, Sat, which is a 2 1/2 hour driving. I will drive during daytime, first without Crusie control and second with it. Will take pics and everything so I can take everything to the dealer. So if anyone else are experiencing problems, please post it so I can print it out.

travisjb

Not to take anything away from import111, but in AZ it's been over 100F peak for like 5 days straight! In MAY !!!

Hey Manny, re your request for people to post... Do you realize you're on a 34 page thread! Be sure to check out the oil temp survey for hard data

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mannyz

Well u guys have here like 4 threads opened with the same topic, I just want to be sure that we help each other here

But yes I just print out the Survey so I can take it to the dealer, next week. Also copying all the information I can, so I can hand it to the Mananager.

AK370Z

I have a small request for all of you. Please RESPECT everyone's input/opinion here in this thread. Just because someone DO NOT see this as a problem or do not feel that Nissan should fix this, please don't make them feel(or their post) unwelcome, stupid etc. This is a public forum and everyone can voice their opinion. But when someone is attacked or harassed because of their post(s), then I'm obligated to step in since it's against the forum rules. I am NOT implying that it has happened (you guys have been pretty mature about it) but I'm just throwing out a warning. Also, keep in mind that normal "street driving" for one member can be "spirited driving" for another. So, please respect everyone's opinion.

I will ask Nissan and see what's their plan on this issue.

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Okay folks. Just got off the phone with someone a step up from my Midwest Regional CS Manager. First, this person races cars for fun. He races street cars. His favorite track is Road America in Wisconsin. This guy knows his stuff. He's not a kid and has been doing this a long time. 250 to 280 to him is optimal engine oil temperature for high performance driving, and he urged anyone to just look it up from reputable sources. Also, I must say, this person could not have been nicer. They're motto right now is "prove it on the street." The racetrack is a different story. This we should completely understand. This oil cooler kit is coming out for all of the people complaining for an issue that most of us have never had. (I got to the 260-280, after a 'spirited driving' session, but it never cut itself off or limited anything.)

If it's not cutting off, it's running just fine. He said those of you trying to race your cars around at the much much cooler temperatures (ie. 180-200) are the ones actually not doing the engine any favors. This is some more VERY important information.

You hit 300, you're in a bit of trouble, but that's where the engine will automatically limit itself. It's not the complete end of the earth nor the engine. He said if you are racing, they will have your ultimate oil cooler kit that is thermostatically controlled. That's nice. It's just about out, and wait for it. Would it have been nice to have this option earlier this year? Of course. He stressed over and over, your oil should be between 250 to 280 for its best protection of the engine in high performance driving. If you're not hitting the cut-off, the engine is by no means in danger.

Should you choose to buy the Nissan Motorsports Oil Cooler kit, which I'm sure most of us are, get it done at the Nissan dealer. He said that will keep your full powertrain warranty in tact.

This should start putting this to rest. I believe him completely. He was very, very nice. I want you all to read what I have posted above a couple of times. 250-280 is good for a motor being run hard. You have to be well above this range for it to break down. He also said the Nissan Ester oil is perfect in this range. He said if you're on a track and are experiencing this, your fix is coming, but otherwise if your engine doesn't go into a full limp mode, it's doing fine. He said they've pounded the piss out of these cars, and know it takes an awful lot to have the motor go into limp mode. I agree. He even urged me to take him out on our roads in "A spirited way." He races street legal race cars on tracks people, and personally had a hand in R&D. Do you know these have been out testing for almost three years before they came out? He said they flogged the hell out of them. Up mountains, in the Arizona desert, and never had these problems. He said if you are racing them, well, your oil cooler is just about out. He said just to make sure, the thermostat will keep the temps in this "hot" optimal range.

Almost all of our cars are just fine and are not compromised in any way. If you race them on a track for quite a while, all out, he said they understand. Your temperature controlled coolers are coming out.

sylenze

i think the start of your statement is the problem itself... this guys doesn't even have a proper title... a step up from midwest regional CS manager... tells me nothing... he knows how to race and sets cars up to race just put him in the same level of knowledge as most of the forum members... it is a fallacy to say that just because this guys states such and such makes it a fact with mediocre background... the only fact i can see from this statement is that he works for CUSTOMER SERVICE and not engineering nor development... i do not mean to offend but it is insulting for you to belittle the issue with unfounded facts/sources... its like getting a weather forecast from somebody who's hobby is to watch the clouds in the sky and dance around in the rain...

lww

What kind of gas mileage does your little Insight get...? Sorry, I couldn't pass up the opportunity!

The issue here is that we could have gone out and bought any number of other cars that are competing for this segment of the market and NOT had this problem. I believe the VVEL system is a fantastic technological and engineering achievement, but I also believe it is the culprit.

If I don't see a reasonable resolution soon, my money is going to another manufacturer that has a product engineered to support the use it's owner's expect out of a capable "Sports Car". Porsche, BMW and god help me, even Chevrolet fills this bill.

The statement from the CS person TheWeatherman spoke to is spurious:

If by an awful lot, he means one 20 minute session in a track day, then I call bs on that statement. Track days have become one of the most common "after work" activities for sports car enthusiast/owners as evidenced by the number of track day organizers that have sprouted up over the last 10 years. The number of 350Z's I see at track day/HPDE events is enormous and I see none of them with similar problems. P.S. I'm an HPDE Instructor for several event organizers.

If Nissan won't engineer a product to support this EXTREMELY important "enthusiast" segment for their "sports cars", I question the competence of their marketing organization.

For the same money or less, I can buy a nicely depreciated Porsche, BMW or Corvette and never have to worry about these issues again AND have better resale value in 5 years than the 370Z is going to have after it's first month.

Unfortunately, I'm going to look at a Boxster S this afternoon...

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import111

Yea, it has been high 90's to around 100 here in Tucson. Even still, my old STi on track days never got the oil that hot.

Chupacabra

I had a minor feeling it was 'designed' this way, being as the 200 mark is in the middle of the clock.

but. I used to work for a Grand American Rolex DP team, and we where up in Arizona, practice in the car, the oil temp it 250-260 and it lose of seals, oil all over the place, and some fuel hoses melted. That is the only reason I am concerned.

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TheWeatherman

Yeah, that's why he said, "Run our ester oil, and you'll be problem free. It was designed for those temperatures. We know it does it. That's what it's supposed to do unless you are on a racetrack. That's why we're coming out with our fully warranted oil cooling kit." I actually liked how he said this... "If you're going to flog it, get it hot first. That's what we designed it to do so you guys don't damage any componentry." I'm afraid to say it, but I believe he's right.

And SoCal, I think he made it clear that we will be okay, no matter what your temps. He asked us to have confidence in their product. They know what it should and shoudn't do. I say this respectfully to you, hearing your side. (Personally, I think these motors are going to run forever, no matter what temps we're running. Okay, not forever, but ya know what I mean. Let's enjoy our cars and have some faith in the company. I love mine to death!

SoCal 370Z

Sorry, this is not from Japan so I place little credence on it. I appreciate your post, but if Nissan is now saying—and contradicting their own 370Z owners manual regarding the oil that can be used—then they should have done so as a full disclosure on the Monroney, in their owners manual, and at the time of closing—all in writing. I can also assure you that the person you spoke with has no authority in said matters, unless it has officially been handed-down from Corporate Japan; in such case there will be a document with their recommendation.

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