Everyone with oil temp issues

Robert_Nash · 04-24-2009, 11:18 AM

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Originally Posted by k.alexander

Ok, so what is the "danger zone" temperature. I know the Z manual says 280 and up, but what is the consensus on the forum? Is it that anything in the 240-260 territory is red zone?

According to my guy (in my post a page or two back), temps in that range in/near the pan (which appears to be where the sensor is taking the temp) would not be a problem.

k.alexander · 04-24-2009, 12:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Robert_Nash

According to my guy (in my post a page or two back), temps in that range in/near the pan (which appears to be where the sensor is taking the temp) would not be a problem.

Yep, I saw that post Robert. Thanks.

travisjb · 04-24-2009, 02:28 PM

even a basset hound needs more than a couple data points to make a conclusion - smart as they are!

alan93rsa · 04-24-2009, 05:51 PM

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The Porsche Boxster engine problems (requiring brand new engine after relatively low miles) comes to mind for one example; a current edition of which starts at around $47K for the base or $57K for the "S". I consider Porsche to be one of the best manufacturers in the world but even they "aint perfect".

And Porsche replaced every one of those engines. No repairs they pulled the engine and replaced it. Engines were also 'good willed' for some of the out of warranty ones.

I've yet to see a Porsche that can't make 5 laps on a track. However, I have seen a 335i that can't make 5 either.

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I will simply encourage everyone that encounters it to file a complaint with the NHTSA to push the issue into a government mandated recall, and sell our Z.

And that is something I plan to do as should everyone with an oil temp issue.

Robert_Nash · 04-24-2009, 07:38 PM

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Originally Posted by alan93rsa

And Porsche replaced every one of those engines. No repairs they pulled the engine and replaced it. Engines were also 'good willed' for some of the out of warranty ones.

From reading the Porsche forums (which I'd say are as reliable as this one

), Porsche seemed to do a "quite/unofficial"; at least early on (I'll admit I haven't kept up with it all for three or four years) recall in that they waited until an engine failure; refused to cover it under warranty then covered if the owner complained enough (EDIT: If you look at the forums, this problem seemed to continue as far as '02/'03).

What brought it to mind was that I was just talking about the Boxster with a prof of engineering at Georgia Tech a few weeks ago while I was in Atlanta and someone drove up in a new GT2.

If Porsche eventually covered (under warranty) all the engine failures then bravo for them but it still seems they loath to admit there was a problem for quite a long time.

travisjb · 04-24-2009, 05:52 PM

The problem I think you're referring to with the boxster was limited to 99 and some 00 production runs when they switched factories, and even then only effected the engines where sleeving was done on the blocks... porsche continues to address those problems even beyond warranty... beyond that, they had well known problems with rear main seals but again porsche doesn't turn any of these away... nissan on the other hand, while it seems to have a normal amount of entry into service quality issues, seems less inclined to address those issues

It seems our Z's are overheating in normal use and conditions - not just for us track junkies - and nissan needs to fix it... period

GaryTheSnail · 04-24-2009, 05:56 PM

I was driving home yesterday from center city Philadelphia and was lucky enough to sit in 3 hours worth of traffic going into south Jersey. The car was pretty much doing stop and go all the way home and never got the revs passed 3k. I finally reached the Walt Whitman bridge and I noticed my check engine light is on and I look at the oil temp gauge and its reading 270ish. I pulled over and turned the heater on and let it sit for 10 mins to cool and got the oil temp to drop below 260 and a min later the check engine light turned off.

Took it to the dealer today and they changed out the oil and checked the engine over and said the engine seems to be fine but were unsure why my temps jumped so high.

Zeto · 04-24-2009, 06:33 PM

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Originally Posted by GaryTheSnail

I was driving home yesterday from center city Philadelphia and was lucky enough to sit in 3 hours worth of traffic going into south Jersey. The car was pretty much doing stop and go all the way home and never got the revs passed 3k. I finally reached the Walt Whitman bridge and I noticed my check engine light is on and I look at the oil temp gauge and its reading 270ish. I pulled over and turned the heater on and let it sit for 10 mins to cool and got the oil temp to drop below 260 and a min later the check engine light turned off.

Took it to the dealer today and they changed out the oil and checked the engine over and said the engine seems to be fine but were unsure why my temps jumped so high.

We all know why.

spearfish25 · 04-24-2009, 06:37 PM

I've sent my email to Nissan and I'll be calling on Monday when they are open again. My local dealer was dumbfounded when I told them about the oil cooler absence and the overheating issue. Looks like we all need to speak up a lot more to get this out there. Tracking and overheating is unacceptable on it's own, but overheating while sitting in traffic means we'll all be enacting the Lemon Law in a month or two.

semtex · 04-24-2009, 07:31 PM

An oil cooler needs moving air to work, right? So, even with oil coolers, if we're stuck in heavy traffic, aren't we screwed?

antennahead · 04-24-2009, 07:56 PM

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Originally Posted by semtex

An oil cooler needs moving air to work, right? So, even with oil coolers, if we're stuck in heavy traffic, aren't we screwed?

Well not as bad, sitting in traffic the engine isn't working as hard and heating up the oil, and having the oil run outside the engine through the cooler, even if no air is being forced through it, will still lower the temps some.

john

frost · 04-24-2009, 07:45 PM

Very disappointing to see this is affecting more people. Since it will be over 100 degrees in the next couple weeks here, I am very concerned about this.

Robert_Nash · 04-24-2009, 07:51 PM

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Originally Posted by frost

Very disappointing to see this is affecting more people. Since it will be over 100 degrees in the next couple weeks here, I am very concerned about this.

Has anybody bothered to count exactly how many have claimed a problem and where (tracking or normal driving)?

It would be interesting to know don't you thnk?

spearfish25 · 04-24-2009, 08:26 PM

Also, the cooler will increase the oil capacity thus increasing the amount of oil being heated and cooled....lower temps overall.

alan93rsa · 04-24-2009, 09:51 PM

Robert,

I had a rear main seal fail on my 996. The dealer replaced it. I had another issue with it and it was replaced. At that time they told me if it failed again I would get a new engine. This was at about 38000 mi. It did not fail again.

I know you sell Nissans for a living but I think it's time you give it a break. People are having issues on this forum and I can't imagine there aren't others not on this forum with the same problems. Remember this car was launched in the Winter. Summer is on it's way. Sell em while they're not hot.

04-24-2009, 07:31 PM	#10 (permalink)
semtex A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Behind enemy lines Age: 54 Posts: 5,995 Drives: People to drink Rep Power: 33	An oil cooler needs moving air to work, right? So, even with oil coolers, if we're stuck in heavy traffic, aren't we screwed? __________________ "There are no small accidents on this circuit." -- Ayrton Senna 316.8whp & 248 ft/lbs (Dyno Dynamics) \| 319whp & 256 ft/lbs (DynoJet) (04/23/10) Stillen G3 CAI, CBE, Pulley / F.I. LTH / GTSpec Ladder Brace / Setrab Oil Cooler / UpRev-tuned by Forged Perf.

04-24-2009, 09:51 PM	#15 (permalink)
alan93rsa Enthusiast Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Ohio Posts: 412 Drives: 16 Cayman GT4 Red Rep Power: 221	Robert, I had a rear main seal fail on my 996. The dealer replaced it. I had another issue with it and it was replaced. At that time they told me if it failed again I would get a new engine. This was at about 38000 mi. It did not fail again. I know you sell Nissans for a living but I think it's time you give it a break. People are having issues on this forum and I can't imagine there aren't others not on this forum with the same problems. Remember this car was launched in the Winter. Summer is on it's way. Sell em while they're not hot. __________________ 16 Cayman GT4, Carmine Red, Buckets, PCCB etc.

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GaryTheSnail Base Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: New Jersey Posts: 25 Drives: 09 Nissan 370Z PW M6 Rep Power: 17	I was driving home yesterday from center city Philadelphia and was lucky enough to sit in 3 hours worth of traffic going into south Jersey. The car was pretty much doing stop and go all the way home and never got the revs passed 3k. I finally reached the Walt Whitman bridge and I noticed my check engine light is on and I look at the oil temp gauge and its reading 270ish. I pulled over and turned the heater on and let it sit for 10 mins to cool and got the oil temp to drop below 260 and a min later the check engine light turned off. Took it to the dealer today and they changed out the oil and checked the engine over and said the engine seems to be fine but were unsure why my temps jumped so high.

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spearfish25 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Naples, FL Posts: 4,117 Drives: to work Rep Power: 1857	I've sent my email to Nissan and I'll be calling on Monday when they are open again. My local dealer was dumbfounded when I told them about the oil cooler absence and the overheating issue. Looks like we all need to speak up a lot more to get this out there. Tracking and overheating is unacceptable on it's own, but overheating while sitting in traffic means we'll all be enacting the Lemon Law in a month or two.

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spearfish25 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Naples, FL Posts: 4,117 Drives: to work Rep Power: 1857	Also, the cooler will increase the oil capacity thus increasing the amount of oil being heated and cooled....lower temps overall.