$3,000 = 50hp

jetguy · 11-29-2010, 12:50 PM

import tuner mag jan 11 has a dyno review of all the breathing mods and it turns out for around $3000 you get an extra 50 horse power.

so.....is it woth it? 50 little hp for $3000 large?

RedBullRR · 11-29-2010, 12:58 PM

Doesnt sound like a fair deal

Jamaica · 11-29-2010, 01:01 PM

double that and you have a supercharger numbers(kinda). or triple it and you have a tt kit with guarnteed power

tjlazer · 11-29-2010, 01:02 PM

For FI, you still need an exhaust which is about half of that quoted $3000 price....

m4a1mustang · 11-29-2010, 01:10 PM

You've got to pay to play!

The Z only sells around 10,000 units per year. There's not enough volume to keep aftermarket costs low.

jetguy · 11-29-2010, 01:29 PM

There is no need to upgrade exhaust for a supercharger system, infact most companies will quote improvments to power with stock pipes and their supercharger system.

m4a1mustang · 11-29-2010, 01:33 PM

That's true. But when factoring in the cost of FI make sure you include all of the supporting mods... clutch upgrade, gauges, etc.

jetguy · 11-29-2010, 01:35 PM

But I would add some hfc's

Jordo! · 11-29-2010, 01:50 PM

First of all, it's not a gauranteed gain of 50 whp, because those numbers are all based on power added to whatever you measured as your starting point, and all of that will vary from dyno to dyno (and also vary by what correction factor is used) -- it's really a gain of x%.

Going with dynojet #'s, I'd say the average Z puts down about 275 whp (AT and MT) and maxes out around 300+ to 305+ whp. That's a gain of about 10% to 12%.

That is a substantial bump in power and torque, but no it isn't going make your car as fast as something like FI will (a typical gain being around 25% to 30% or more in power!).

As to costs, you can always buy stuff used or scour ebay to save money.

I've bumped my car up by about 10% from baseline and have spent under a grand.

Best bang for the buck mods: K&N panel filters (seriously) and either test pipes (cheaper) or high flow cats (more costly).

jetguy · 11-29-2010, 02:46 PM

No, that is 50 hp total gain with hfc, cbe, gen3 intake, and uprev tune. Total combined, not tuner math of 18+30+18+20. They added after each upgrade. The gen3 which is good for 18, onlyh added like 3hp to the numbers after the exhuast for example.
Btw, do you have any hard numbers you can share about the k&n filters?

ClemsonWill · 11-29-2010, 02:59 PM

I don't think you can solely look at the hp gains. Bolt ons change the sound, throttle response, etc. Not to mention the reliability aspect of going FI.

If you are solely looking for the best bang for the buck you should just hook up a nitrous system.

efuseakay · 11-29-2010, 03:46 PM

And the tune. Some tuners are more capable/knowledgable than others. Using finite numbers to tell readers that every Z will get those exact results is quite dishonest IMO.

Jamaica · 11-29-2010, 04:12 PM

kinda simple thou, if you want real power FI is the way to go unless you want to add a 4.5 liter

Jordo! · 11-29-2010, 04:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jetguy

No, that is 50 hp total gain with hfc, cbe, gen3 intake, and uprev tune. Total combined, not tuner math of 18+30+18+20. They added after each upgrade. The gen3 which is good for 18, onlyh added like 3hp to the numbers after the exhuast for example.
Btw, do you have any hard numbers you can share about the k&n filters?

You're missing my point... I am talking about total gains for ALL bolt-ons' combined, not ricer math piecemeal gains -- my point is that the meaured gain in real numbers (i.e., 50 whp vs 30 whp) will vary from dyno to dyno, and somewhat from vehicle to vehicle, but the proprotionate overall gains should be similar.

Never mind...

I have numerous dynos posted and I have gathered data from other folks nice enough to share their data (actual dynojet runfiles) tho I don't post it without their permission.

Regarding the K&N's in particular, there are several dynos posted both by me and others.

Lemers · 11-29-2010, 04:33 PM

If you're gonna engine swap why stay in the Nissan family of engines? I say shoehorn the biggest / most powerful engine availible into the Z.

11-29-2010, 12:50 PM	#1 (permalink)
jetguy Enthusiast Member Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: atlanta Posts: 311 Drives: 370z Rep Power: 15	$3,000 = 50hp import tuner mag jan 11 has a dyno review of all the breathing mods and it turns out for around $3000 you get an extra 50 horse power. so.....is it woth it? 50 little hp for $3000 large?

11-29-2010, 01:02 PM	#4 (permalink)
tjlazer A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Tacoma Age: 53 Posts: 2,496 Drives: Z34, R35 Rep Power: 20	For FI, you still need an exhaust which is about half of that quoted $3000 price.... __________________ 2009 370Z Monterey Blue,Nismo Conversion,RE-11's, K&N Typhoon intakes,Blue Kickplates,Homelink,FI 18" CBE,ERZ HFCs,Hotchkis sways, Swift Spec-R, EVO-R Highwing, UPREV

11-29-2010, 01:10 PM	#5 (permalink)
m4a1mustang A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Northern VA Posts: 55,385 Drives: on two wheels Rep Power: 6962	You've got to pay to play! The Z only sells around 10,000 units per year. There's not enough volume to keep aftermarket costs low. __________________ - Steve Zs & Coffee - Saturdays at 10AM in Fairfax, VA and Columbia, MD (Click the banner!) LIKE us on Facebook!

11-29-2010, 01:33 PM	#7 (permalink)
m4a1mustang A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Northern VA Posts: 55,385 Drives: on two wheels Rep Power: 6962	That's true. But when factoring in the cost of FI make sure you include all of the supporting mods... clutch upgrade, gauges, etc. __________________ - Steve Zs & Coffee - Saturdays at 10AM in Fairfax, VA and Columbia, MD (Click the banner!) LIKE us on Facebook!

11-29-2010, 01:50 PM	#9 (permalink)
Jordo! A True Z Fanatic Join Date: May 2010 Location: nirvana Posts: 6,394 Drives: 2023 NATM Rep Power: 418	First of all, it's not a gauranteed gain of 50 whp, because those numbers are all based on power added to whatever you measured as your starting point, and all of that will vary from dyno to dyno (and also vary by what correction factor is used) -- it's really a gain of x%. Going with dynojet #'s, I'd say the average Z puts down about 275 whp (AT and MT) and maxes out around 300+ to 305+ whp. That's a gain of about 10% to 12%. That is a substantial bump in power and torque, but no it isn't going make your car as fast as something like FI will (a typical gain being around 25% to 30% or more in power!). As to costs, you can always buy stuff used or scour ebay to save money. I've bumped my car up by about 10% from baseline and have spent under a grand. Best bang for the buck mods: K&N panel filters (seriously) and either test pipes (cheaper) or high flow cats (more costly). __________________ Enjoy it. Destroy it. Last edited by Jordo!; 11-29-2010 at 01:52 PM.

11-29-2010, 12:58 PM	#2 (permalink)
RedBullRR Enthusiast Member Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Suffolk Posts: 336 Drives: 2010 370Z Red Rep Power: 15	Doesnt sound like a fair deal

11-29-2010, 01:01 PM	#3 (permalink)
Jamaica A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: SoCal Posts: 15,362 Drives: Under boost Rep Power: 73	double that and you have a supercharger numbers(kinda). or triple it and you have a tt kit with guarnteed power

11-29-2010, 01:29 PM	#6 (permalink)
jetguy Enthusiast Member Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: atlanta Posts: 311 Drives: 370z Rep Power: 15	There is no need to upgrade exhaust for a supercharger system, infact most companies will quote improvments to power with stock pipes and their supercharger system.

11-29-2010, 01:35 PM	#8 (permalink)
jetguy Enthusiast Member Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: atlanta Posts: 311 Drives: 370z Rep Power: 15	But I would add some hfc's

11-29-2010, 02:46 PM	#10 (permalink)
jetguy Enthusiast Member Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: atlanta Posts: 311 Drives: 370z Rep Power: 15	No, that is 50 hp total gain with hfc, cbe, gen3 intake, and uprev tune. Total combined, not tuner math of 18+30+18+20. They added after each upgrade. The gen3 which is good for 18, onlyh added like 3hp to the numbers after the exhuast for example. Btw, do you have any hard numbers you can share about the k&n filters?

11-29-2010, 02:59 PM	#11 (permalink)
ClemsonWill A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Charleston, SC Posts: 12,045 Drives: a Civic VP! Rep Power: 445	I don't think you can solely look at the hp gains. Bolt ons change the sound, throttle response, etc. Not to mention the reliability aspect of going FI. If you are solely looking for the best bang for the buck you should just hook up a nitrous system. __________________ Slightly modded

11-29-2010, 03:46 PM	#12 (permalink)
efuseakay Enthusiast Member Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: The DAYNGA ZONE! Posts: 404 Drives: 2010 G37xS Sedan Rep Power: 15	And the tune. Some tuners are more capable/knowledgable than others. Using finite numbers to tell readers that every Z will get those exact results is quite dishonest IMO.

11-29-2010, 04:12 PM	#13 (permalink)
Jamaica A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: SoCal Posts: 15,362 Drives: Under boost Rep Power: 73	kinda simple thou, if you want real power FI is the way to go unless you want to add a 4.5 liter

11-29-2010, 04:33 PM	#15 (permalink)
Lemers A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Izmir, Turkey Posts: 15,371 Drives: 2012 Traverse LTZ Rep Power: 52	If you're gonna engine swap why stay in the Nissan family of engines? I say shoehorn the biggest / most powerful engine availible into the Z. __________________ 2010 Black Cherry Touring/Sport/Nav Now - 2012 Travese LTZ until I leave for Turkey