Sticky: (Official) 370Z Clutch Pressure (CSC) Failures

babyzilla · 05-20-2020, 09:16 AM

I got a case # with Nissan a couple days ago and they called me yesterday to let me know they are "investigating the issue." I was told they will let me know the outcome on Friday. I'm just hoping my Z isn't being joy ridden while it's sitting in the shop...hopefully the dash cam that is pointed at the driver's seat is a good deterrent. I'll keep you guys posted for information sake. I'll either get lucky or I'll be placing an order to Zspeed this weekend. I know you all have warned me, but I'm just shooting my shot.

Side note: I'm not sure if I'm being dramatic, but the outcome of this may or may not influence my loyalty as a returning customer to Nissan (especially if they were to revamp the Z).

raps101 · 05-20-2020, 09:31 AM

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Originally Posted by babyzilla

I got a case # with Nissan a couple days ago and they called me yesterday to let me know they are "investigating the issue." I was told they will let me know the outcome on Friday. I'm just hoping my Z isn't being joy ridden while it's sitting in the shop...hopefully the dash cam that is pointed at the driver's seat is a good deterrent. I'll keep you guys posted for information sake. I'll either get lucky or I'll be placing an order to Zspeed this weekend. I know you all have warned me, but I'm just shooting my shot.

Side note: I'm not sure if I'm being dramatic, but the outcome of this may or may not influence my loyalty as a returning customer to Nissan (especially if they were to revamp the Z).

I'm afraid you're wasting your time, and the point of my rant was to save you your time. Thousands have gone down the road you're on. My last attempt. Get your car outta there, meaning out of the hands of that Nissan dealership, and into your custody, and get rid of that concentric slave cylinder, and that stock pedal. There's no other way to put it. And I'm only saying this to you because I'm gathering from what you said, that you are willing and able to invest the funds required to right this problem. Respectfully. Did you read through this whole thread??

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JARblue · 05-20-2020, 01:52 PM

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Originally Posted by babyzilla

I'm just hoping my Z isn't being joy ridden while it's sitting in the shop...hopefully the dash cam that is pointed at the driver's seat is a good deterrent.

lol NNA isn't going to do jack for you. Same as that dash cam. What you're really hoping is that the idiot who wants to joy ride doesn't know how to unplug the camera in the back although it's likely they don't give two shìts anyway. What are you going to do? Sue the dealership for driving your car? You're just wasting your time

babyzilla · 05-20-2020, 04:22 PM

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Originally Posted by raps101

I'm afraid you're wasting your time, and the point of my rant was to save you your time. Thousands have gone down the road you're on. My last attempt. Get your car outta there, meaning out of the hands of that Nissan dealership, and into your custody, and get rid of that concentric slave cylinder, and that stock pedal. There's no other way to put it. And I'm only saying this to you because I'm gathering from what you said, that you are willing and able to invest the funds required to right this problem. Respectfully. Did you read through this whole thread??

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Yes, and I appreciate you taking the time to respond. I figured I wouldn't lose anything by at least giving it a shot as I have the time right now. There have been members in this thread that have been able to get it fixed under warranty. Anyways, I'm just getting worried now so I'm trying to pick my car up this evening based off what you are telling me. The auto shop will probably be closed, but I'm hoping I can get it via sales dept. I admittedly did not read the entire thread...it's 120 pages, but I did read many.

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Originally Posted by JARblue

lol NNA isn't going to do jack for you. Same as that dash cam. What you're really hoping is that the idiot who wants to joy ride doesn't know how to unplug the camera in the back although it's likely they don't give two shìts anyway. What are you going to do? Sue the dealership for driving your car? You're just wasting your time

Thanks, I guess?

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To all, I'm not the most technical person, but what exactly do I need aftermarket? The companies I keep hearing about are z1motorsports, zspeed, and RJM. I obviously do not want OEM parts, as that is what is causing the issue in the first place. I've also seen a CSC delete kit - I'm not sure what this is. Please help. Thanks! I'll try giving Joe a call as well.

sportsman2003 · 05-20-2020, 04:40 PM

https://zspeed.com/product/zspeed-st...clutch-system/

This is the kit i am going with. I am not an expert on the 370Z platform
but I have researched this for myself and have only read good things.
This was also recommended to me by Rob at Z car Garage in San Jose CA.

babyzilla · 05-20-2020, 07:18 PM

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Originally Posted by sportsman2003

https://zspeed.com/product/zspeed-st...clutch-system/

This is the kit i am going with. I am not an expert on the 370Z platform
but I have researched this for myself and have only read good things.
This was also recommended to me by Rob at Z car Garage in San Jose CA.

Thanks, man. I have been looking at this too. Although Joe from Zspeed mentioned the stage 2 - he actually responded to my original post in this thread the other day. Their shop is closed, but I need to call them tomorrow to verify. My main question is why I would need a new clutch too.

Thanks!

babyzilla · 05-20-2020, 07:23 PM

FYI I was able to "rescue" my car a couple hours ago. I had my wife rush from work to come get me (she's the real MVP). It's a long story, which I will spare all of you from, but the dealer actually started to work on my Z w/o my consent. I even told them specifically not to until we hear back from NNA. All of a sudden they weren't charging me the $481 for the rubber hose either. I also caught them in another lie. Needless to say I won't be going back to dealerships for any work. Sick of this $h!t.

-ZS-Carpenter · 05-20-2020, 08:51 PM

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Originally Posted by babyzilla

Thanks, man. I have been looking at this too. Although the Joe from Zspeed mentioned the stage 2 - he actually responded to my original post in this thread the other day. Their shop is closed, but I need to call them tomorrow to verify. My main question is why I would need a new clutch too.

Thanks!

Your best bet is to email Joe. He always got back to me within hours even on the weekends. I was really surprized. I expected to get a response on the next business day but he answered my questions on a Saturday night.

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babyzilla · 05-21-2020, 11:49 AM

Just got off the phone with Joe from Zspeed. Just as everyone said, he was very helpful. Rather than replacing the slave cylinder, I went with Joe's recommendation and I will be replacing the entire system. I ordered a new OEM master slave cylinder and the stage 1 clutch and flywheel assembly which comes with the CMAK.

https://zspeed.com/product/nissan-oe...-g37-g35s-q60/
https://zspeed.com/product/zspeed-st...clutch-system/

Prices seems reasonable and the OEM clutch master cylinder is on sale. The reputation of Zspeed on this forum, their service, and quality of parts is definitely worth the price.

I'm ordering an axle back exhaust too, because why not. I don't plan on modding my car much as it is my DD, but I'm hoping these mods will make it better than it already it is. I already called a reputable shop near me and they will be ready. This is definitely adding up to be a lot, especially since I was not expecting any of this, but I'm looking forward to it!

Thanks to all of you who helped me.

raps101 · 05-21-2020, 02:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by babyzilla

Just got off the phone with Joe from Zspeed. Just as everyone said, he was very helpful. Rather than replacing the slave cylinder, I went with Joe's recommendation and I will be replacing the entire system. I ordered a new OEM master slave cylinder and the stage 1 clutch and flywheel assembly which comes with the CMAK.

https://zspeed.com/product/nissan-oe...-g37-g35s-q60/
https://zspeed.com/product/zspeed-st...clutch-system/

Prices seems reasonable and the OEM clutch master cylinder is on sale. The reputation of Zspeed on this forum, their service, and quality of parts is definitely worth the price.

I'm ordering an axle back exhaust too, because why not. I don't plan on modding my car much as it is my DD, but I'm hoping these mods will make it better than it already it is. I already called a reputable shop near me and they will be ready. This is definitely adding up to be a lot, especially since I was not expecting any of this, but I'm looking forward to it!

Thanks to all of you who helped me.

Don't forget the rjm pedal! I know Joe may say it's not necessary. Joe's clutch movement alteration kit and upgraded clutch will definitely eliminate the pedal pressure and sticking to the floor issue. But the rjm pedal makes the pedal itself feel way better and eliminated the on off feeling of the stock pedal making shifts, especially 1 to 2, buttery smooth. It's a requirement in my opinion and completes the system.

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Dentt42 · 05-22-2020, 10:00 AM

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Originally Posted by babyzilla

Just got off the phone with Joe from Zspeed. Just as everyone said, he was very helpful. Rather than replacing the slave cylinder, I went with Joe's recommendation and I will be replacing the entire system. I ordered a new OEM master slave cylinder and the stage 1 clutch and flywheel assembly which comes with the CMAK.

https://zspeed.com/product/nissan-oe...-g37-g35s-q60/
https://zspeed.com/product/zspeed-st...clutch-system/

Prices seems reasonable and the OEM clutch master cylinder is on sale. The reputation of Zspeed on this forum, their service, and quality of parts is definitely worth the price.

I'm ordering an axle back exhaust too, because why not. I don't plan on modding my car much as it is my DD, but I'm hoping these mods will make it better than it already it is. I already called a reputable shop near me and they will be ready. This is definitely adding up to be a lot, especially since I was not expecting any of this, but I'm looking forward to it!

Thanks to all of you who helped me.

I just went through almost the exact same ordeal when my CSC went out unexpectedly, and yeah, it's a monetary doozie if you haven't planned for it. Not including the CMAK I was lucky enough to already have waiting in my parts pile, an EXEDY Stage I clutch kit with a steel flywheel, gear oil, towing and installation labor from a reputable shop came to like $2200 I think. For what it's worth, the owner of the Z-Tech (specializes in Z/G cars, and has been here for like 20 years) said the CMAK was his solution of choice and was only going by his own experience. I was quite relieved to hear that.

I expect that you're going to be as happy with the change as I was, and feel like the investment was 100% worth it when you drive the car again. Like the kit in your link, my EXEDY kit also has a 20 lb. flywheel, and the car's response is vastly improved revving it up for a down shift or just taking off from a stop. There was no loss in street driveability (is that a word?), and it now feels like a sports car and not my dad's old Wrangler while running through the gears.

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Originally Posted by raps101

Don't forget the rjm pedal! I know Joe may say it's not necessary. Joe's clutch movement alteration kit and upgraded clutch will definitely eliminate the pedal pressure and sticking to the floor issue. But the rjm pedal makes the pedal itself feel way better and eliminated the on off feeling of the stock pedal making shifts, especially 1 to 2, buttery smooth. It's a requirement in my opinion and completes the system.

I gotta agree with Joe on this one after my personal experience. With the CMAK and a properly matched single-disc clutch and flywheel, I no longer have the RJM pedal on my radar. It was just that much of an improvement.

I can put it this way: after driving the new setup for about 3 weeks, other mods will get prioritized in the budgeting department. However, since the pedal isn't too pricey and appears to be an easy DIY, I'd still give it a shot to refine things just a little more.

raps101 · 05-22-2020, 10:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Dentt42

I just went through almost the exact same ordeal when my CSC went out unexpectedly, and yeah, it's a monetary doozie if you haven't planned for it. Not including the CMAK I was lucky enough to already have waiting in my parts pile, an EXEDY Stage I clutch kit with a steel flywheel, gear oil, towing and installation labor from a reputable shop came to like $2200 I think. For what it's worth, the owner of the Z-Tech (specializes in Z/G cars, and has been here for like 20 years) said the CMAK was his solution of choice and was only going by his own experience. I was quite relieved to hear that.

I expect that you're going to be as happy with the change as I was, and feel like the investment was 100% worth it when you drive the car again. Like the kit in your link, my EXEDY kit also has a 20 lb. flywheel, and the car's response is vastly improved revving it up for a down shift or just taking off from a stop. There was no loss in street driveability (is that a word?), and it now feels like a sports car and not my dad's old Wrangler while running through the gears.

I gotta agree with Joe on this one after my personal experience. With the CMAK and a properly matched single-disc clutch and flywheel, I no longer have the RJM pedal on my radar. It was just that much of an improvement.

I can put it this way: after driving the new setup for about 3 weeks, other mods will get prioritized in the budgeting department. However, since the pedal isn't too pricey and appears to be an easy DIY, I'd still give it a shot to refine things just a little more.

What and where is "z-tech"?

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Dentt42 · 05-22-2020, 10:31 AM

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Originally Posted by raps101

What and where is "z-tech"?

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They're a mechanic shop in Central FL that does a ton of RWD Nissan work.

I personally chose them because they were flexible with letting me choose and order the parts I wanted installed.

babyzilla · 05-22-2020, 11:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Dentt42

I just went through almost the exact same ordeal when my CSC went out unexpectedly, and yeah, it's a monetary doozie if you haven't planned for it. Not including the CMAK I was lucky enough to already have waiting in my parts pile, an EXEDY Stage I clutch kit with a steel flywheel, gear oil, towing and installation labor from a reputable shop came to like $2200 I think. For what it's worth, the owner of the Z-Tech (specializes in Z/G cars, and has been here for like 20 years) said the CMAK was his solution of choice and was only going by his own experience. I was quite relieved to hear that.

I expect that you're going to be as happy with the change as I was, and feel like the investment was 100% worth it when you drive the car again. Like the kit in your link, my EXEDY kit also has a 20 lb. flywheel, and the car's response is vastly improved revving it up for a down shift or just taking off from a stop. There was no loss in street driveability (is that a word?), and it now feels like a sports car and not my dad's old Wrangler while running through the gears.

I gotta agree with Joe on this one after my personal experience. With the CMAK and a properly matched single-disc clutch and flywheel, I no longer have the RJM pedal on my radar. It was just that much of an improvement.

I can put it this way: after driving the new setup for about 3 weeks, other mods will get prioritized in the budgeting department. However, since the pedal isn't too pricey and appears to be an easy DIY, I'd still give it a shot to refine things just a little more.

I'm glad to hear this! Thanks for the affirmation. I'm eager to drive my Z again ASAP, especially with the new exhaust. $2,200.00 is about what I'm looking at as well after parts and labor. I'll circle back around with my review and hopefully some pics. As for the RJM pedal, I'm sure it's very nice and I haven't put it past me, but I just don't feel like shelling out another $400 when I personally don't think I need it to fix the issue at hand.

Thanks!

JARblue · 05-22-2020, 11:58 AM

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Originally Posted by babyzilla

Thanks, I guess?

I just trying to emphasize that the outcomes you were hoping to avoid were exactly the ones that were likely to occur by leaving your car with the dealer. Your experience below is exactly why we were recommending to "recuse" your car from the dealer immediately.

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Originally Posted by babyzilla

FYI I was able to "rescue" my car a couple hours ago. I had my wife rush from work to come get me (she's the real MVP). It's a long story, which I will spare all of you from, but the dealer actually started to work on my Z w/o my consent. I even told them specifically not to until we hear back from NNA. All of a sudden they weren't charging me the $481 for the rubber hose either. I also caught them in another lie. Needless to say I won't be going back to dealerships for any work. Sick of this $h!t.

Smart move

Looks like you are now on the right path. Good luck with the work and hope you get back to

asap

05-20-2020, 04:40 PM	#1790 (permalink)
sportsman2003 Base Member Join Date: Dec 2018 Location: In the moment Posts: 191 Drives: Sideways most times Rep Power: 11606	https://zspeed.com/product/zspeed-st...clutch-system/ This is the kit i am going with. I am not an expert on the 370Z platform but I have researched this for myself and have only read good things. This was also recommended to me by Rob at Z car Garage in San Jose CA. Joe@ZSpeed likes this.

05-20-2020, 07:23 PM	#1792 (permalink)
babyzilla Enthusiast Member Join Date: Apr 2017 Location: Maryland Posts: 487 Drives: 15 Nismo Tech 6MT Rep Power: 23631	FYI I was able to "rescue" my car a couple hours ago. I had my wife rush from work to come get me (she's the real MVP). It's a long story, which I will spare all of you from, but the dealer actually started to work on my Z w/o my consent. I even told them specifically not to until we hear back from NNA. All of a sudden they weren't charging me the $481 for the rubber hose either. I also caught them in another lie. Needless to say I won't be going back to dealerships for any work. Sick of this $h!t. JARblue likes this. Last edited by babyzilla; 05-20-2020 at 10:45 PM.

05-21-2020, 11:49 AM	#1794 (permalink)
babyzilla Enthusiast Member Join Date: Apr 2017 Location: Maryland Posts: 487 Drives: 15 Nismo Tech 6MT Rep Power: 23631	Just got off the phone with Joe from Zspeed. Just as everyone said, he was very helpful. Rather than replacing the slave cylinder, I went with Joe's recommendation and I will be replacing the entire system. I ordered a new OEM master slave cylinder and the stage 1 clutch and flywheel assembly which comes with the CMAK. https://zspeed.com/product/nissan-oe...-g37-g35s-q60/ https://zspeed.com/product/zspeed-st...clutch-system/ Prices seems reasonable and the OEM clutch master cylinder is on sale. The reputation of Zspeed on this forum, their service, and quality of parts is definitely worth the price. I'm ordering an axle back exhaust too, because why not. I don't plan on modding my car much as it is my DD, but I'm hoping these mods will make it better than it already it is. I already called a reputable shop near me and they will be ready. This is definitely adding up to be a lot, especially since I was not expecting any of this, but I'm looking forward to it! Thanks to all of you who helped me. -ZS-Carpenter, ZontheRocks and SwedeZ like this.

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05-20-2020, 09:16 AM	#1786 (permalink)
babyzilla Enthusiast Member Join Date: Apr 2017 Location: Maryland Posts: 487 Drives: 15 Nismo Tech 6MT Rep Power: 23631	I got a case # with Nissan a couple days ago and they called me yesterday to let me know they are "investigating the issue." I was told they will let me know the outcome on Friday. I'm just hoping my Z isn't being joy ridden while it's sitting in the shop...hopefully the dash cam that is pointed at the driver's seat is a good deterrent. I'll keep you guys posted for information sake. I'll either get lucky or I'll be placing an order to Zspeed this weekend. I know you all have warned me, but I'm just shooting my shot. Side note: I'm not sure if I'm being dramatic, but the outcome of this may or may not influence my loyalty as a returning customer to Nissan (especially if they were to revamp the Z).