Sticky: (Official) 370Z Clutch Pressure (CSC) Failures

JARblue · 09-16-2015, 02:45 PM

What work did the dealer do to it? I wouldn't be surprised if they just changed out the fluid since that's their normal bandaid.

If they replaced the CSC, did they replace the CMC also? Make sure they do.

Bolaz · 09-16-2015, 03:01 PM

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Originally Posted by JARblue

What work did the dealer do to it? I wouldn't be surprised if they just changed out the fluid since that's their normal bandaid.

If they replaced the CSC, did they replace the CMC also? Make sure they do.

I'm looking at the paperwork and all it says it's this:

HA22AA RPL CLUTCH OPERATING CYLINDER ***'Y

1 306A1 - JK40E CYLASSY-CONCENTRICSLAVE

1317 BODY CONCENTRE LEAKING IN INTERNAL REPLACE CLUTCH CONCENTRE INTERNAL FAILURE THERE WAS NO RESISTANCE IN PEDAL LEAKING

Dwight Frye · 09-16-2015, 06:36 PM

My '09 has 55K miles on it now, I bought it new. I refreshed the clutch fluid at 35K miles, keep a close eye on the fluid level and have not experienced any problems. However, when it comes up for the 60K mile service I am considering replacing the CSC as a preemptive measure. Is that all that needs to be done, or should I have a shop install the Z1 CSC Elimination Kit instead ?

ban25 · 09-17-2015, 04:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Dwight Frye

My '09 has 55K miles on it now, I bought it new. I refreshed the clutch fluid at 35K miles, keep a close eye on the fluid level and have not experienced any problems. However, when it comes up for the 60K mile service I am considering replacing the CSC as a preemptive measure. Is that all that needs to be done, or should I have a shop install the Z1 CSC Elimination Kit instead ?

I just had my CSC replaced with the ZSpeed HD CSC. My shop did a fantastic job and really burned the midnight oil to get the job done, but let me tell you, it's not an easy install and the thing is very hard to bleed:

Tips/Tricks to bleed the CSC?

If I had to do it again, I would definitely go for the Elimination Kit.

Jsolo · 09-17-2015, 10:40 AM

Did the shop not replace the master cylinder along with the slave? If so, more than likely the master is worn and will cause great difficulty in bleeding the system.

JARblue · 09-17-2015, 10:41 AM

make sure they replaced the CMC also

Dwight Frye · 09-17-2015, 05:30 PM

Sorry, I'm not quite understanding. I thought the problem is with the Clutch Slave Cylinder failing ? The Z1 CSC Elimination Kit replaces the troublesome factory CSC correct ? But the Clutch Master Cylinder also should be replaced with the Z1 CSC Elimination Kit installed ?
Thanks

rlharris · 09-17-2015, 11:31 PM

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Originally Posted by rlharris

Update, and further reading on this fine board I saw that several were getting this covered under the 5/60 powertrain. I called my service advisor and he said, no, 3/36 on that part so I asked for the number for Nissan [ok, that was dumb, Nissan 1], and they confirmed it is covered on the 5/60, started a claim, and said they would call back within 24 hours, and also call the advisor to let him know.

That doesn't solve the fact there are none available in the US, but a couple weeks of rental car is much cheaper than the $1300 service bill I was being prepared for!

Of course the first thing I was told was "we've had this before, we're going to have to replace your pressure plate and clutch because if any fluid got on there.." where I cut him off and said if any fluid got on there it'll be gone first good burnout, all I want done is the CSC!

Excuse my ignorance, I got the "within 24 hour" call back today, from the screw you department [the “out of warranty, request for warranty relief” department is what I believe she officially called it when I asked]. Where she claimed no, it's only covered on the 3/36, and that nothing was written in my file except that I had "read on the internet" how some are getting this covered under the 5/60. That she would have to talk to the dealer to know exactly which part this is and that the agent that told me it was covered wouldn't know the part exactly. Which makes you wonder how "she" knows what the part is, exactly, to be certain it isn't covered.

So they need 3 business days to "investigate" the "circumstances". Are you kidding me, it's a 10 minute phone call to the dealership service writer. And since it's the weekend it's 5 days paying for a rental waiting for her to call back with the expected "nope, screw you".

Looking into the Z kits as the dealer is willing to install anything I want.

I never told the story.

When this first happened was this March at 10PM on the bottom floor of a parking garage on Madison Ave. NYC. There's a predicament. The closest rental open was Newark Airport at $170. [and $50 to get there, I gotta get UBER]. After about an hour arranging the tow and figuring the logistics in a panic, because the garage closes at Midnight, I went down to give it another screwing with. I'd checked fluids and stupid stuff. So I started it, and pulled the pedal up, and sat there bouncing it off the spring as far as it would go and still return, every now and then push to the floor, pull it up, pump, and then turn the car off, on, pull it up, pump it, and one time I pushed to the floor it popped back up!! I did it again, it popped up, did it again and threw it in first and let it out normal - and didn't push it back in until I made it up the 4 floors and hit the street. The parking attendant looks at me with this hilarious look of disbelief as I went by! I used the clutch as little as possible getting out of the city, but was acting fine, and has been normal ever sense.

This time, was Tuesday, in THE SAME DAMN GARAGE!!! Thankfully I decided to leave early at 3:30 to beat the rush hour. and after 10 minutes and 3 that came in after me getting their cars, this dejavu hits me, I bet that sucker is sitting with the pedal on the floor!! Sure enough here he comes with "there's something wrong with your clutch?". Of course on the very bottom floor, again. I do the same look under the hood thing and, **looky**, the clutch reservoir was dry! I needed brake fluid so I could pump it back up, like before.

If anybody's ever tried getting brake fluid in NYC, you can ask 10 people and get a blank stare from all of them, Home Depot sounded like a possibility, 5 block cab ride, they have zero auto, but an awesome insect and vermin killing aisle! And the CS manager had zero idea where to buy brake fluid in the city except for dealer row. $45 cab ride to the west side Toyota to buy a $10 pint. Filled it real slow using a funnel made from a bank envelope and went to work with the magic pumping fix. After pumping on it for an hour and refilling the reservoir a few times [thought I might be getting air out] I looked underneath and saw the drip drip - and knew it was over. Stranded, in NYC.

First order is a rental car. It's 6:30, Enterprise closes at 7, they told me to come on over, and of course, there isn't a single available cab on the streets! I start off and after a 6 block hump I finally caught one for the last 6 blocks [I would not have gotten there. I'm too old and out of shape to power walk with the 25 pound backpack I had on]. Got there at 10 of, by 5 after she had me in a their cheapest Focus for $114, and a $50 one way drop off fee. I returned it to my local, they waived the one way, and gave me the same car back for $39.

Now, I have to get the car out and to a dealer.

Ever been on the bottom [4th] floor of a tight NYC parking garage? I drove it out the last time and I'm telling you, it's tight.

Ever had to get a dead Z out of the bottom floor of a NYC parking garage?

They quoted me $450 cash for the removal and the tow [25 miles to Jersey City [closest Nissan on my side of the river]], I balked to call for more estimates, they called back and came down to $350 plus tolls, which was $393, cash. They brought a Dodge Ram on a flatbed, the Ram barely got down to the bottom floor, he had 1/2" clearance under one set of ducts. I had the tow hook in the front so he could hook it, and I drove the Z as he towed me up, a couple feet at a time, with his spotter directing. It took about an hour to get up to street level, he must have made 100 back up corrections to get thru the gaps, while dragging me. Had to keep brake pressure on it the whole time to keep the chain tight but everytime he'd back up and adjust I'd get the whiplash as the slack snapped out of the chain. They towed it down to Park Ave to put it on the flatbed, and with the traffic at 10PM [was insane, the way he went] took 2 hours to go the 25 miles to the dealer.

Then I still had to drive the 100 miles home. Left at 3:30, got home at 1:30. That's a good "stranded" story for a CSC failure. Thankfully I had most of this already thought out from the previous outage before I started screwing with the car and got it to work. I just figured if it did it again I'd know how to fix it, and it would be around the corner at Target. Right?

No, the SAME DAMN PARKING GARRAGE in NYC it happened in the first time. You can't make this stuff up.

BamBamZ · 09-18-2015, 04:47 AM

Damn sorry to hear about that, I would be livid and contemplating setting the car on fire after all that...

When mine went out, I was on my 2nd date with someone I liked and we both worked at the same company... Got just a mile away and as I was making a right turn in an intersection the pedal didn't fully return, there was maybe 2" of play in the pedal. Enough to get it to move after stalling several times. Got it to a parking lot and waited about an hour or so for a tow... My date was "too tired" to go on after getting the car picked up, so we had to call it a night... I never got to have a make up date

eastwest2300 · 09-18-2015, 07:55 AM

sh1tty luck for the both of you guys.. sorry.

onzedge · 09-18-2015, 08:06 AM

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Originally Posted by eastwest2300

sh1tty luck for the both of you guys.. sorry.

rlharris · 09-18-2015, 05:16 PM

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Originally Posted by BamBamZ

Damn sorry to hear about that, I would be livid and contemplating setting the car on fire after all that...

When mine went out, I was on my 2nd date with someone I liked and we both worked at the same company... Got just a mile away and as I was making a right turn in an intersection the pedal didn't fully return, there was maybe 2" of play in the pedal. Enough to get it to move after stalling several times. Got it to a parking lot and waited about an hour or so for a tow... My date was "too tired" to go on after getting the car picked up, so we had to call it a night... I never got to have a make up date

Thanks, but, I love my car. I'll have no qualms about buying the next one, hopefully a 390 with another 50 ponies. I just got my title from the bank on Monday LOL Sometimes life gives you lemons, and all car companies make a few bad parts. It's just the way it is. Maybe I can convince the regional specialist I deserve a little warranty relief and she'll get me some kind of discount on the labor.

My local dealer had the part, I went over and picked it up and just shipped it up to Hudson. I know, the HD will last much longer, but it has 55k of hard charging on it, I'll probably be trading it in on the next before my 12/12 warranty on the fix runs out.

MagmaRed370z · 09-18-2015, 08:26 PM

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Originally Posted by rlharris

Excuse my ignorance, I got the "within 24 hour" call back today, from the screw you department [the “out of warranty, request for warranty relief” department is what I believe she officially called it when I asked]. Where she claimed no, it's only covered on the 3/36, and that nothing was written in my file except that I had "read on the internet" how some are getting this covered under the 5/60. That she would have to talk to the dealer to know exactly which part this is and that the agent that told me it was covered wouldn't know the part exactly. Which makes you wonder how "she" knows what the part is, exactly, to be certain it isn't covered.

So they need 3 business days to "investigate" the "circumstances". Are you kidding me, it's a 10 minute phone call to the dealership service writer. And since it's the weekend it's 5 days paying for a rental waiting for her to call back with the expected "nope, screw you".

Looking into the Z kits as the dealer is willing to install anything I want.

I never told the story.

When this first happened was this March at 10PM on the bottom floor of a parking garage on Madison Ave. NYC. There's a predicament. The closest rental open was Newark Airport at $170. [and $50 to get there, I gotta get UBER]. After about an hour arranging the tow and figuring the logistics in a panic, because the garage closes at Midnight, I went down to give it another screwing with. I'd checked fluids and stupid stuff. So I started it, and pulled the pedal up, and sat there bouncing it off the spring as far as it would go and still return, every now and then push to the floor, pull it up, pump, and then turn the car off, on, pull it up, pump it, and one time I pushed to the floor it popped back up!! I did it again, it popped up, did it again and threw it in first and let it out normal - and didn't push it back in until I made it up the 4 floors and hit the street. The parking attendant looks at me with this hilarious look of disbelief as I went by! I used the clutch as little as possible getting out of the city, but was acting fine, and has been normal ever sense.

This time, was Tuesday, in THE SAME DAMN GARAGE!!! Thankfully I decided to leave early at 3:30 to beat the rush hour. and after 10 minutes and 3 that came in after me getting their cars, this dejavu hits me, I bet that sucker is sitting with the pedal on the floor!! Sure enough here he comes with "there's something wrong with your clutch?". Of course on the very bottom floor, again. I do the same look under the hood thing and, **looky**, the clutch reservoir was dry! I needed brake fluid so I could pump it back up, like before.

If anybody's ever tried getting brake fluid in NYC, you can ask 10 people and get a blank stare from all of them, Home Depot sounded like a possibility, 5 block cab ride, they have zero auto, but an awesome insect and vermin killing aisle! And the CS manager had zero idea where to buy brake fluid in the city except for dealer row. $45 cab ride to the west side Toyota to buy a $10 pint. Filled it real slow using a funnel made from a bank envelope and went to work with the magic pumping fix. After pumping on it for an hour and refilling the reservoir a few times [thought I might be getting air out] I looked underneath and saw the drip drip - and knew it was over. Stranded, in NYC.

First order is a rental car. It's 6:30, Enterprise closes at 7, they told me to come on over, and of course, there isn't a single available cab on the streets! I start off and after a 6 block hump I finally caught one for the last 6 blocks [I would not have gotten there. I'm too old and out of shape to power walk with the 25 pound backpack I had on]. Got there at 10 of, by 5 after she had me in a their cheapest Focus for $114, and a $50 one way drop off fee. I returned it to my local, they waived the one way, and gave me the same car back for $39.

Now, I have to get the car out and to a dealer.

Ever been on the bottom [4th] floor of a tight NYC parking garage? I drove it out the last time and I'm telling you, it's tight.

Ever had to get a dead Z out of the bottom floor of a NYC parking garage?

They quoted me $450 cash for the removal and the tow [25 miles to Jersey City [closest Nissan on my side of the river]], I balked to call for more estimates, they called back and came down to $350 plus tolls, which was $393, cash. They brought a Dodge Ram on a flatbed, the Ram barely got down to the bottom floor, he had 1/2" clearance under one set of ducts. I had the tow hook in the front so he could hook it, and I drove the Z as he towed me up, a couple feet at a time, with his spotter directing. It took about an hour to get up to street level, he must have made 100 back up corrections to get thru the gaps, while dragging me. Had to keep brake pressure on it the whole time to keep the chain tight but everytime he'd back up and adjust I'd get the whiplash as the slack snapped out of the chain. They towed it down to Park Ave to put it on the flatbed, and with the traffic at 10PM [was insane, the way he went] took 2 hours to go the 25 miles to the dealer.

Then I still had to drive the 100 miles home. Left at 3:30, got home at 1:30. That's a good "stranded" story for a CSC failure. Thankfully I had most of this already thought out from the previous outage before I started screwing with the car and got it to work. I just figured if it did it again I'd know how to fix it, and it would be around the corner at Target. Right?

No, the SAME DAMN PARKING GARRAGE in NYC it happened in the first time. You can't make this stuff up.

Crap crap and more crap. Dude, this is unbelievable. wow, you should print it out and send it to every department at Nissan Corporate with the link to this thread.

I am sorry and I now envy the AT guys that don't have to deal with this sh*t.

BamBamZ · 09-19-2015, 01:00 PM

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Originally Posted by rlharris

Thanks, but, I love my car. I'll have no qualms about buying the next one, hopefully a 390 with another 50 ponies. I just got my title from the bank on Monday LOL Sometimes life gives you lemons, and all car companies make a few bad parts. It's just the way it is. Maybe I can convince the regional specialist I deserve a little warranty relief and she'll get me some kind of discount on the labor.

My local dealer had the part, I went over and picked it up and just shipped it up to Hudson. I know, the HD will last much longer, but it has 55k of hard charging on it, I'll probably be trading it in on the next before my 12/12 warranty on the fix runs out.

I can't say the same for me... I've lost all respect for modern Nissan's. I work at Tesla and we have our share of issues, But regardless how many miles the cars have if something goes wrong with it. We wan't to know if it's a common problem and will make changes immediately after a solution is found and if a car built prior to the fix has the issue it will be repaired within 48 hours.

Maybe i'm expecting a much larger car manufacturer to fess up and put out a fix is too much, As opposed to the company I work for where reputation is everything.

I can't afford a Model S, But I may be able to afford the Model 3 when it comes out. Depending on range, style, power and handling it may be my next car... If not I'll gladly go back to Toyota. In my family we have 4 Toyota's that have been through hell and back and still manage to keep on going, I traded in a Tacoma X-Runner (we had 5 at one point) that gave me 120K miles without a single issue, It never saw a tow truck... Only things it really needed were oil changes, brake pads and rotors, air filters, spark plugs at 90K miles and a few sets of tires... original everything else.

I think if I had the pink slip to my car, It would be back on a dealer lot right now... The 370Z is a sexy car, I love the power and handling but I can't drive it without wondering when something will break and how much will I sink in to it in 5 years when it's finally paid off

rlharris · 09-19-2015, 11:35 PM

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Originally Posted by BamBamZ

I can't say the same for me... I've lost all respect for modern Nissan's. I work at Tesla and we have our share of issues, But regardless how many miles the cars have if something goes wrong with it. We wan't to know if it's a common problem and will make changes immediately after a solution is found and if a car built prior to the fix has the issue it will be repaired within 48 hours.

Maybe i'm expecting a much larger car manufacturer to fess up and put out a fix is too much, As opposed to the company I work for where reputation is everything.

I can't afford a Model S, But I may be able to afford the Model 3 when it comes out. Depending on range, style, power and handling it may be my next car... If not I'll gladly go back to Toyota. In my family we have 4 Toyota's that have been through hell and back and still manage to keep on going, I traded in a Tacoma X-Runner (we had 5 at one point) that gave me 120K miles without a single issue, It never saw a tow truck... Only things it really needed were oil changes, brake pads and rotors, air filters, spark plugs at 90K miles and a few sets of tires... original everything else.

I think if I had the pink slip to my car, It would be back on a dealer lot right now... The 370Z is a sexy car, I love the power and handling but I can't drive it without wondering when something will break and how much will I sink in to it in 5 years when it's finally paid off

Reputation is everything with Elon. You have to keep the stock price at 190,000 times forward earnings and every little blip [battery fire, etc] one car has the stock dives 5% in a day. Tesla is also still a young company that has no laurels to sit their fat executive board asses on. It's apples to pears.

I have no doubt that any forum of any of the majors there are hundreds of threads exactly like this one, all well deserved complaints, but we'll never live in a perfect world and the world will never give us perfect cars. So in the meantime I'll just buy the one that gives me goose bumps at what I'd consider a very affordable price point. Unfortunately I love the nurse shark grill on my 10' way more than the new look, but I do like the new Nismo more than any of the previous ones. It's far more mature and less "street tuner" looking, so that might be my next Z, in Silver ;o}

09-16-2015, 02:45 PM	#1291 (permalink)
JARblue A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Austin, TX Age: 43 Posts: 36,450 Drives: 11 Z34, 98 E36 M3 Rep Power: 2684440	What work did the dealer do to it? I wouldn't be surprised if they just changed out the fluid since that's their normal bandaid. If they replaced the CSC, did they replace the CMC also? Make sure they do. __________________ 2011 370Z 6MT Sport Gun Metallic \| ARC \| CJM \| Ecutek \| FI \| Fujimura \| R2C \| SPL \| Stillen \| TWM \| Z1 \| ZSpeed \|

09-17-2015, 10:40 AM	#1295 (permalink)
Jsolo Track Member Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: chicago Posts: 783 Drives: '12 G37 6MT Rep Power: 14	Did the shop not replace the master cylinder along with the slave? If so, more than likely the master is worn and will cause great difficulty in bleeding the system. __________________ G37S Sedan 6MT, Eibach swaybars, Invidia Exhaust, Weaker Clutch Pedal Spring For sale links

09-17-2015, 10:41 AM	#1296 (permalink)
JARblue A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Austin, TX Age: 43 Posts: 36,450 Drives: 11 Z34, 98 E36 M3 Rep Power: 2684440	make sure they replaced the CMC also __________________ 2011 370Z 6MT Sport Gun Metallic \| ARC \| CJM \| Ecutek \| FI \| Fujimura \| R2C \| SPL \| Stillen \| TWM \| Z1 \| ZSpeed \|

09-18-2015, 07:55 AM	#1300 (permalink)
eastwest2300 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: May 2010 Location: South FL Posts: 90,972 Drives: '16QX70/'21 Supra3.0 Rep Power: 2684550	sh1tty luck for the both of you guys.. sorry. __________________ Infiniti QX70 & Toyota Supra 3.0 Premium

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Dwight Frye Enthusiast Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Occupied California Posts: 423 Drives: '09 Tour/Sport/6MT Rep Power: 16	My '09 has 55K miles on it now, I bought it new. I refreshed the clutch fluid at 35K miles, keep a close eye on the fluid level and have not experienced any problems. However, when it comes up for the 60K mile service I am considering replacing the CSC as a preemptive measure. Is that all that needs to be done, or should I have a shop install the Z1 CSC Elimination Kit instead ?

09-17-2015, 05:30 PM	#1297 (permalink)
Dwight Frye Enthusiast Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Occupied California Posts: 423 Drives: '09 Tour/Sport/6MT Rep Power: 16	Sorry, I'm not quite understanding. I thought the problem is with the Clutch Slave Cylinder failing ? The Z1 CSC Elimination Kit replaces the troublesome factory CSC correct ? But the Clutch Master Cylinder also should be replaced with the Z1 CSC Elimination Kit installed ? Thanks

09-18-2015, 04:47 AM	#1299 (permalink)
BamBamZ Base Member Join Date: Feb 2015 Location: Mountain House, CA Posts: 95 Drives: Touring/Sport/6spd Rep Power: 10	Damn sorry to hear about that, I would be livid and contemplating setting the car on fire after all that... When mine went out, I was on my 2nd date with someone I liked and we both worked at the same company... Got just a mile away and as I was making a right turn in an intersection the pedal didn't fully return, there was maybe 2" of play in the pedal. Enough to get it to move after stalling several times. Got it to a parking lot and waited about an hour or so for a tow... My date was "too tired" to go on after getting the car picked up, so we had to call it a night... I never got to have a make up date