Sticky: (Official) 370Z Clutch Pressure (CSC) Failures

Joe@ZSpeed · 06-26-2015, 03:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by schellingr

I wonder how much total in Labor will a stealearship charge to swap the crappy CSC with a Zspeed?

The majority of dealership mechanics are lets just say not somebody I would want working on my car, There are some good ones out there for sure but for the most part if its not "OEM" they don't want to deal with it because the have no knowledge of anything besides what they learned in "Nissan training"

There are good shops around most areas familiar with the Z cars, Find one here or on local car forums.
Most shops charge 4-5 hours for the slave and another 1 hour for the master cylinder.

Some recommended shops we deal with and are familiar with Nissan/Infiniti
Not totally familiar with all of these shops but most are ones we deal with regularly so do your homework
* Highly Recommended by our customers, Meaning we have had positive feedback from our customers buying parts from us and having them installed at these shops. If they are not marked just means we have not received any feedback from customers going there.
Vandalia, Ohio ZSpeed Performance (Me) *
Elkridge, MD Hills Garage *
San Jose, CA Z Car Garage
Whittier, CA 9K Racing
Tampa, FL Vantage Auto *
Danbury, CT RDZ Motorsports *
Wilmington, NC National Speed
Houston, TX JTran Studios
Houston, TX Houston Z Auto
Phoenix, AZ Pitstop Performance
Chatsworth, CA Specialty-Z *
Soddy Daisy, TN Custom Concept Motorpsorts*
Hamilton, Ohio Ramey Z*

jwick · 06-26-2015, 03:55 PM

Houston, TX

I'd add Awesome Z to that list. They installed my clutch and ZSpeed HD CSC and I've had zero issues. They also did my whiteline diff bushing and did a great job.

They are a Nissan approved service shop.

KoolKarmaJoe · 06-26-2015, 05:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Joe@ZSpeed

The majority of dealership mechanics are lets just say not somebody I would want working on my car, There are some good ones out there for sure but for the most part if its not "OEM" they don't want to deal with it because the have no knowledge of anything besides what they learned in "Nissan training"

There are good shops around most areas familiar with the Z cars, Find one here or on local car forums.
Most shops charge 4-5 hours for the slave and another 1 hour for the master cylinder.

Some recommended shops we deal with and are familiar with Nissan/Infiniti
Not totally familiar with all of these shops but most are ones we deal with regularly so do your homework
* Highly Recommended by our customers, Meaning we have had positive feedback from our customers buying parts from us and having them installed at these shops. If they are not marked just means we have not received any feedback from customers going there.
Vandalia, Ohio ZSpeed Performance (Me) *
Elkridge, MD Hills Garage *
San Jose, CA Z Car Garage
Whittier, CA 9K Racing
Tampa, FL Vantage Auto *
Danbury, CT RDZ Motorsports *
Wilmington, NC National Speed
Houston, TX JTran Studios
Houston, TX Houston Z Auto
Phoenix, AZ Pitstop Performance
Chatsworth, CA Specialty-Z *
Soddy Daisy, TN Custom Concept Motorpsorts*
Hamilton, Ohio Ramey Z*

Some shops just quote Service Manual for Labor Hours even though they finish sooner. And then there are those that hide Labor cost in inflated parts cost. Bottom line , a honest shop would be much more successful. And I'm sure all us on this forum would have no problem dealing with such a shop if we knew we were given a fair deal & straight answers to our questions. I really wish I resided nearer to ZSpeed. But for now I am greatful for the advice & help I have received from Joe Allison & staff at ZSpeed. "KUDO's To ZSpeed!"

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KoolKarmaJoe · 06-26-2015, 06:02 PM

I placed my order today with ZSpeed for ACT Stage 2 High Performance Clutch Kit with the ACT Steel Flywheel (17.5 lb) & Motul dot 4 race brake fluid, & transmission front gasket. I previously ordered the HD CSC, CMC, Motul Trans Fluid, Short Insulated Clutch line from ZSpeed. All work will be done by AAM Competition in Maryland. Additionally the trans, & clutch hydraulics will be flushed and new fluids put in place. I will put pics, video's, sound clips, & updates, etc of same on this thread. I will list Pro's & Con's fairly. My preference is performance based, which may not be the needs of someone that just is daily commuter.

DIGItonium · 06-26-2015, 06:22 PM

I forgot to update the sharing settings for the spreadsheet. It should be accessible to anyone with the link.

eastwest2300 · 06-26-2015, 08:24 PM

hi joe (zspeed)

Vbp6US · 06-28-2015, 03:05 PM

The Nissan rep that runs their Facebook page said I would receive a call on Friday between regular business hours to address my issue. They never called nor will they reply to my question. I believe they're dodging the issue. Everyone, get active, get online, and get posting!

Zbrah · 06-28-2015, 03:31 PM

Not surprised. I didn't bother to reply to them. I knew they're just trying redirect my complaint offline and out of sight.

eastwest2300 · 06-28-2015, 09:24 PM

Im telling you guys, you gotta get the media involved.

JARblue · 06-29-2015, 04:15 AM

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Originally Posted by KoolKarmaJoe

Z1 description from their site....."this conversion kit serves a very narrow window & requires ongoing adjustments". Some on forum say they got to get car on ramps and adjust every 2nd fill-up. There's only so many adjustments that can be made in reality . Sooner or later you've used up all adjustment options. I can go through 2 fillups just trying to get to my vacation destination. I don't have room to carry ramps.

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I'd be interested to see a link to someone on this forum saying it requires adjustments every 2nd fill up. Because that is bogus. Or maybe their kit was installed by a monkey

The adjustment is needed as the clutch plate wears down. It is minor and needed very infrequently. I made a 1/2 turn adjustment (smallest you can make) after ~12K miles. There's no way you will run out of adjustments before needing to replace the clutch.

eastwest2300 · 06-29-2015, 07:38 AM

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Originally Posted by JARblue

I'd be interested to see a link to someone on this forum saying it requires adjustments every 2nd fill up. Because that is bogus. Or maybe their kit was installed by a monkey

The adjustment is needed as the clutch plate wears down. It is minor and needed very infrequently. I made a 1/2 turn adjustment (smallest you can make) after ~12K miles. There's no way you will run out of adjustments before needing to replace the clutch.

a monkey? really?

KoolKarmaJoe · 06-29-2015, 09:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JARblue

I'd be interested to see a link to someone on this forum saying it requires adjustments every 2nd fill up. Because that is bogus. Or maybe their kit was installed by a monkey

The adjustment is needed as the clutch plate wears down. It is minor and needed very infrequently. I made a 1/2 turn adjustment (smallest you can make) after ~12K miles. There's no way you will run out of adjustments before needing to replace the clutch.

Read their site - " A very narrow window... unit requires adjustments..." That's Z1's words! Unless they updated their website . Part looks bulky; like to see how it fits with twin Turbo kit!

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Originally Posted by eastwest2300

a monkey? really?

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JARblue · 06-29-2015, 10:05 AM

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Originally Posted by KoolKarmaJoe

Read their site - " A very narrow window... unit requires adjustments..." That's Z1's words! Unless they updated their website . Part looks bulky; like to see how it fits with twin Turbo kit!

I'm not sure you read my post correctly; I wasn't talking about Z1's quote

I was referring to your claim that "some on forum say they got to get car on ramps and adjust every 2nd fill-up". Where did you see this?

I cannot say how it would work with the various forced induction options, but Z1 might be able to give some guidance.

KoolKarmaJoe · 06-29-2015, 10:30 AM

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Originally Posted by JARblue

I'm not sure you read my post correctly; I wasn't talking about Z1's quote

I was referring to your claim that "some on forum say they got to get car on ramps and adjust every 2nd fill-up". Where did you see this?

I cannot say how it would work with the various forced induction options, but Z1 might be able to give some guidance.

read it on The370ZForum when I first looked through the forum for help with my clutch issues and a member posted his experience with the CSC slave elimination kit. That didn't turn me off of the product though. What turned me off the product was the last paragraph from sellers Site when you view the slave elimination kit; ""Strongly Recommended: Please view a complete copy of the Installation Manual for the __ Motorsports Concentric Slave Cylinder Elimination Kit, PDF Installation Manual document available for download Here. Proper installation and adjustment of this kit will require end-user mechanical aptitude. Because of the very narrow window in which this product was designed to function as a bolt on solution, this product may require adjustment through the life of the clutch." -

JARblue · 06-29-2015, 10:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KoolKarmaJoe

Some on forum say they got to get car on ramps and adjust every 2nd fill-up.

Quote:

Originally Posted by JARblue

I'd be interested to see a link to someone on this forum saying it requires adjustments every 2nd fill up. Because that is bogus.

Quote:

Originally Posted by KoolKarmaJoe

read it on The370ZForum when I first looked through the forum for help with my clutch issues and a member posted his experience with the CSC slave elimination kit.

WHERE DID YOU READ THIS? I was asking for a link to their post because they are spreading misinformation

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Originally Posted by KoolKarmaJoe

That didn't turn me off of the product though. What turned me off the product was the last paragraph from sellers Site when you view the slave elimination kit; ""Strongly Recommended: Please view a complete copy of the Installation Manual for the __ Motorsports Concentric Slave Cylinder Elimination Kit, PDF Installation Manual document available for download Here. Proper installation and adjustment of this kit will require end-user mechanical aptitude. Because of the very narrow window in which this product was designed to function as a bolt on solution, this product may require adjustment through the life of the clutch." -

That is just a standard disclaimer. The slave elimination kit functions in a very narrow window because the cylinder length is static once installed. Removing one bolt/nut and loosening two nuts allows you to extend the cylinder as needed to account for clutch wear. The clutch wear limit is only a few millimeters, so that is all you will be adjusting it over the life of the clutch. I won't profess to know exactly how much one turn extends the cylinder, but if a 1/2 turn is all that is needed every 10-12K miles (based on my personal experience) then my guess is that one turn adjusts the cylinder length about half a millimeter.

The process of the adjustment is quite simple. If you can get the car on jack stands and can use a wrench, you have enough mechanical aptitude to do the adjustment. The fact that you are all hung up on the generic Z1 disclaimer language and not on the fact that someone said it has to be adjusted every other time you fill up with gas (which is just flat out stupid) would leave me to believe that you have ulterior motives

I'm not suggesting this is the case; I am just telling you that is the impression that you are giving

06-26-2015, 03:55 PM	#767 (permalink)
jwick A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Houston Posts: 14,532 Drives: '10 G37 6MT Rep Power: 2465056	Sticky: (Official) 370Z Clutch Pressure (CSC) Failures Houston, TX I'd add Awesome Z to that list. They installed my clutch and ZSpeed HD CSC and I've had zero issues. They also did my whiteline diff bushing and did a great job. They are a Nissan approved service shop. Joe@ZSpeed likes this. __________________ '10 G37T 6MT Graphite/Graphite - BP - G37T Build Last edited by jwick; 06-26-2015 at 05:41 PM.

06-26-2015, 06:02 PM	#769 (permalink)
KoolKarmaJoe Enthusiast Member Join Date: Jan 2015 Location: Baltimore MD Posts: 417 Drives: 09' Nissan 370Z R M6 Rep Power: 11	I placed my order today with ZSpeed for ACT Stage 2 High Performance Clutch Kit with the ACT Steel Flywheel (17.5 lb) & Motul dot 4 race brake fluid, & transmission front gasket. I previously ordered the HD CSC, CMC, Motul Trans Fluid, Short Insulated Clutch line from ZSpeed. All work will be done by AAM Competition in Maryland. Additionally the trans, & clutch hydraulics will be flushed and new fluids put in place. I will put pics, video's, sound clips, & updates, etc of same on this thread. I will list Pro's & Con's fairly. My preference is performance based, which may not be the needs of someone that just is daily commuter. Zbrah likes this. __________________ "Joe" AAM True 3" Duals / Whiteline Bars & Rear Links / Tanabe Sustec Pro / Mishimoto Oil Cooler / Michelin Pilot SS ACT HD Pressure Plate / ACT Performance Disc / ACT Streetlite Flywheel / ZSpeed HD CSC on GTR Fluid.

06-26-2015, 06:22 PM	#770 (permalink)
DIGItonium A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Kansas Posts: 3,800 Drives: 09 Z34-TT 6MT Rep Power: 42	I forgot to update the sharing settings for the spreadsheet. It should be accessible to anyone with the link. __________________

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eastwest2300 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: May 2010 Location: South FL Posts: 90,970 Drives: '16QX70/'21 Supra3.0 Rep Power: 2684550	hi joe (zspeed) __________________ Infiniti QX70 & Toyota Supra 3.0 Premium

06-28-2015, 03:05 PM	#772 (permalink)
Vbp6US Enthusiast Member Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: SoCal Posts: 442 Drives: 2009 370z MB 6MT Rep Power: 14	The Nissan rep that runs their Facebook page said I would receive a call on Friday between regular business hours to address my issue. They never called nor will they reply to my question. I believe they're dodging the issue. Everyone, get active, get online, and get posting! Zbrah, MagmaRed370z and KoolKarmaJoe like this. Last edited by Vbp6US; 06-28-2015 at 04:02 PM. Reason: Missing word

06-28-2015, 03:31 PM	#773 (permalink)
Zbrah A True Z Fanatic Join Date: May 2013 Location: The370Z.com Posts: 4,956 Drives: 370Z Rep Power: 5452	Not surprised. I didn't bother to reply to them. I knew they're just trying redirect my complaint offline and out of sight. eastwest2300 and MagmaRed370z like this. __________________

06-28-2015, 09:24 PM	#774 (permalink)
eastwest2300 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: May 2010 Location: South FL Posts: 90,970 Drives: '16QX70/'21 Supra3.0 Rep Power: 2684550	Im telling you guys, you gotta get the media involved. __________________ Infiniti QX70 & Toyota Supra 3.0 Premium

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