[OFFICIAL] Manual v. Automatic Thread

[Baronsmokes]

Originally Posted by jchammond

Dis-Agree,,,Not double clutching a big truck transmission is wrong! That's why a lot of major outfits are purchasing A/T's for their fleets...as when shifting without clutch shocks the drive-line & cost more in repairs in the long run.
Sure,,,people can really hit it smoothly...but the times when it jolts what brakes internals.
As this is what i'm certified in doing & have plenty of training in this field....
Off topic,,,but i apologize.

I hear you.
Have been driving for 30 years.I can see jolt to drive line if you do not get it right.This is how I was taught.

[Baronsmokes]

Originally Posted by jchammond

Dis-Agree,,,Not double clutching a big truck transmission is wrong! That's why a lot of major outfits are purchasing A/T's for their fleets...as when shifting without clutch shocks the drive-line & cost more in repairs in the long run.
Sure,,,people can really hit it smoothly...but the times when it jolts what brakes internals.
As this is what i'm certified in doing & have plenty of training in this field....
Off topic,,,but i apolgize.

Im one of those old guys that you have to deal with at your job.Hard to change our ways.A lot of young guys on this forum do not know what double cluching is.Also young folks do not know how how overdrive works on old cars..I sound like old man but people should learn these things.

[jchammond]

Originally Posted by Baronsmokes

Im one of those old guys that you have to deal with at your job.Hard to change our ways.A lot of young guys on this forum do not know what double cluching is.Also young folks do not know how how overdrive works on old cars..I sound like old man but people should learn these things.

I agree about that,,,as you only touch clutch a tad to take out of gear & about 1/2 to go in next gear,,,I know plenty of older guys that do it pretty well & their stuff last.
I’ve witnessed a lot of younger generation drivers destroy transmissions,clutches,drive lines,etc.....cause they “Rawhide” it!
I’ve heard a newer term of “Slip-clutch” shifting & others saying “floating”....I’m more old school myself.
Be safe on the road & watch out for the A/T’s...as they’re eventually will take over everything.

[FPenvy]

[binary0x01]

Manual's more fun. To me it is like driving a Z or a Bus; one's more fun than the other.

[JARblue]

Can we get back on topic with the insults, please?

[JARblue]

[FPenvy]

Originally Posted by JARblue

Can we get back on topic with the insults, please?

last time i was doing that i almost caught another ban

[JARblue]

Sounds like a personal problem. Kinda like driving an AT

[FPenvy]

Originally Posted by JARblue

Sounds like a personal problem. Kinda like driving an AT

i see what youre trying to do there.......dont get me started again

[Rusty]

Originally Posted by FPenvy

i see what youre trying to do there.......dont get me started again

Why not. We all like to see your lunatic ravings on the subject.

[FPenvy]

Originally Posted by Rusty

Why not. We all like to see your lunatic ravings on the subject.

nah i'll save up all my ravings for when you all have to see me at zdayz lol

[old guy]

After reading many pages in this thread ( which goes back to 09 and has 121 pages ) it all adds up to ‘each his own’!
For me it was a simple decision, before I bought my Z, I read as much on this forum as possible and the things that kept popping up were
Chattering clutch
Throw out berig noise
Needing different pedal springs
And the way too often was the csc failures and the $2,000 upgrade/fix
Really couldn’t enjoy a new car if you come out of a restaurant and have no clutch!
On a different subject, avoided buying an 09/11 because of the steering lock issue, hate getting stranded!

[Whjaxn17]

Originally Posted by old guy

And the way too often was the csc failures and the $2,000 upgrade/fix
Really couldn’t enjoy a new car if you come out of a restaurant and have no clutch!

I guess just straight labor, it may be that much. Mine was still under warranty with right at 11k miles when my CSC went out. I had the dealer install the ZSpeed CMAK kit and the Z1 lightweight flywheel while they were in there. It was certainly irritating to have an issue like that so early with a brand new car, but the dealer made it a hassle free experience and it's been solid ever since. My daily is an auto, but the Z had to be stick. Each has their place, and everybody has their own preference. It's your money, spend it how you like.

[JARblue]

I installed the Z1 CSCEK as preventative maintenance about four years ago. Cost me $400 for the kit plus $120 for a transmission jack at Harbor Freight. It's not the best kit, but it's good enough for piece of mind and knowing that if I have any CSC problems I won't have to drop the transmission again to fix them.