[OFFICIAL] Manual v. Automatic Thread

[D.Stillwell]

^^ Um...lol

[FPenvy]

Originally Posted by mishuko

i beat off on you every day babe. every day.

sometimes twice.

you got some great distance then lol

[AngelNismo]

I've grown to hate AT mode unless I'm in heavy traffic, I find the ECU is really clunky at high speeds and just got tired of it hitting rev limits. The only issue with M mode is that you have to do your shifts slightly early as sometimes it takes a little longer than expected and will rev limit as well. However when timed correctly the result is pretty pleasing, even surprising at times.

I have gone against other 370z drivers (who mostly stay in automatic)and left them behind about an entire car length, even more so if downshifts were required from any turns.

[D.Stillwell]

Thats why you get the 6MT. no automatic tranny shift lag...if one knows how to shift, that is..



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[FPenvy]

Originally Posted by AngelNismo

I've grown to hate AT mode unless I'm in heavy traffic, I find the ECU is really clunky at high speeds and just got tired of it hitting rev limits. The only issue with M mode is that you have to do your shifts slightly early as sometimes it takes a little longer than expected and will rev limit as well. However when timed correctly the result is pretty pleasing, even surprising at times.

I have gone against other 370z drivers (who mostly stay in automatic)and left them behind about an entire car length, even more so if downshifts were required from any turns.

this post is 100% inaccurate. you either hang out with people who cant drive or know nothing about the AT on this car.

the car regardless of tranny pretty much stops making power at 7200rpm so running it past that (your rev limiter hatred) is pointless.

i have never felt the need to shift "early" because of a delay. i hit shift and it goes. theres no delay. and any delay that there can be is minor compared to a manual shift. so that point is void as well.

as for your part about leaving autos a car length or more behind......I've gone against many and i still haven't lost

i have no problem with manuals and their drivers but i have problems with idiots.

[mishuko]

automatics will shift faster at lower rpm's going lower speeds hands down.

last time i checked they don't have to do a 1-2-3 count going from 1st to 2nd under 2.5k rpm

[GZ3]

Originally Posted by D.Stillwell

Thats why you get the 6MT. no automatic tranny shift lag...if one knows how to shift, that is..



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you could have the baddest driver on earth, doing no lift shifts on a 6mt and it will still be slower than the AT 370Z

[JARblue]

Originally Posted by mishuko

automatics will shift faster at lower rpm's going lower speeds hands down.

last time i checked they don't have to do a 1-2-3 count going from 1st to 2nd under 2.5k rpm

Why do you need to shift fast under 2500 RPMs? I can do a quick shift at 2500 RPMs, but it's just wearing out the clutch faster.

At 7200 RPMs, a proper shift in the 6MT is imperceptibly slower than the same shift in a 7AT

[FPenvy]

Originally Posted by mishuko

automatics will shift faster at lower rpm's going lower speeds hands down.

last time i checked they don't have to do a 1-2-3 count going from 1st to 2nd under 2.5k rpm

...........you mean at all speeds and all rpms.

[AngelNismo]

Originally Posted by FPenvy

this post is 100% inaccurate. you either hang out with people who cant drive or know nothing about the AT on this car.

the car regardless of tranny pretty much stops making power at 7200rpm so running it past that (your rev limiter hatred) is pointless.

i have never felt the need to shift "early" because of a delay. i hit shift and it goes. theres no delay. and any delay that there can be is minor compared to a manual shift. so that point is void as well.

as for your part about leaving autos a car length or more behind......I've gone against many and i still haven't lost

i have no problem with manuals and their drivers but i have problems with idiots.

OK.

I'm not talking about going pass the rev limit, if you are in AT and slow down abruptly and on the apex accelerate again the ECU may stall from a rev limit, this has been encountered not only by me but many others on this forum.

How drastic the timing of the shift is is subjective, as you pointed out it is minor compared to a manual shift, however you are then acknowledging it's existence, and so am I, even though yes it is slight.

I'm not sure what track you go on, but my experience is on a really curvy track. Regardless this is a YMMV situation, depending on you, and who you are driving with, etc.. I just made it a point b/c I feel the combination of the down and upshifts may not be handled as well by the ECU as a human would.

I'm not referring at all to straight line street/drag racing.

[GZ3]

Originally Posted by JARblue

Why do you need to shift fast under 2500 RPMs? I can do a quick shift at 2500 RPMs, but it's just wearing out the clutch faster.

At 7200 RPMs, a proper shift in the 6MT is imperceptibly slower than the same shift in a 7AT

oh you may not percieve it ....but you will see it! ahahah

[JARblue]

Originally Posted by GZ3

oh you may not percieve it ....but you will see it! ahahah

Seeing is a form of perception. Maybe you don't understand the definition of imperceptible

Imperceptible (adj.): impossible to perceive.

[GZ3]

Originally Posted by JARblue

Seeing is a form of perception. Maybe you don't understand the definition of imperceptible

Imperceptible (adj.): impossible to perceive.

ha ok my mistake then....you will percieve it!

[mishuko]

Originally Posted by JARblue

Why do you need to shift fast under 2500 RPMs? I can do a quick shift at 2500 RPMs, but it's just wearing out the clutch faster.

At 7200 RPMs, a proper shift in the 6MT is imperceptibly slower than the same shift in a 7AT

well i can release the clutch quicker at 5k rpm than at 2.5k rpm and it'll feel a lot smoother and 'faster' engagin the gear

Originally Posted by FPenvy

...........you mean at all speeds and all rpms.

lies! lies i say!

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[FPenvy]

Originally Posted by AngelNismo

OK.

I'm not talking about going pass the rev limit, if you are in AT and slow down abruptly and on the apex accelerate again the ECU may stall from a rev limit, this has been encountered not only by me but many others on this forum.

How drastic the timing of the shift is is subjective, as you pointed out it is minor compared to a manual shift, however you are then acknowledging it's existence, and so am I, even though yes it is slight.

I'm not sure what track you go on, but my experience is on a really curvy track. Regardless this is a YMMV situation, depending on you, and who you are driving with, etc.. I just made it a point b/c I feel the combination of the down and upshifts may not be handled as well by the ECU as a human would.

I'm not referring at all to straight line street/drag racing.

the "lag" on a AT shift is still miles quicker than a manual shift.

if you stomp on the brakes and down downshift with it there is throttle cut a bit. but if you down shift with braking the rev match keeps the RPMs up and then you're right back on it. it's not hard and works very well.

Originally Posted by mishuko

lies! lies i say!

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