[OFFICIAL] Manual v. Automatic Thread

[old guy]

After reading many pages in this thread ( which goes back to 09 and has 121 pages ) it all adds up to ‘each his own’!
For me it was a simple decision, before I bought my Z, I read as much on this forum as possible and the things that kept popping up were
Chattering clutch
Throw out berig noise
Needing different pedal springs
And the way too often was the csc failures and the $2,000 upgrade/fix
Really couldn’t enjoy a new car if you come out of a restaurant and have no clutch!
On a different subject, avoided buying an 09/11 because of the steering lock issue, hate getting stranded!

[Whjaxn17]

Originally Posted by old guy

And the way too often was the csc failures and the $2,000 upgrade/fix
Really couldn’t enjoy a new car if you come out of a restaurant and have no clutch!

I guess just straight labor, it may be that much. Mine was still under warranty with right at 11k miles when my CSC went out. I had the dealer install the ZSpeed CMAK kit and the Z1 lightweight flywheel while they were in there. It was certainly irritating to have an issue like that so early with a brand new car, but the dealer made it a hassle free experience and it's been solid ever since. My daily is an auto, but the Z had to be stick. Each has their place, and everybody has their own preference. It's your money, spend it how you like.

[JARblue]

I installed the Z1 CSCEK as preventative maintenance about four years ago. Cost me $400 for the kit plus $120 for a transmission jack at Harbor Freight. It's not the best kit, but it's good enough for piece of mind and knowing that if I have any CSC problems I won't have to drop the transmission again to fix them.

[vtec to vvel]

I went from an ‘09 7AT to a ‘13 6MT and there definitely is a difference. Both have their pros and cons. The 7AT is quicker esp off the line, but the 6MT has the fun factor.

[radix023]

https://www.wkrn.com/news/teens-char...ing/1343847459

[Cranberry]

Thats an awesome story but at the same time its sad that working a clutch and driving a 6 spd is a dying thing. Now if you want to buy a Porsche with a standard transmission you need to pay a premium, not the other way around!

[alcheng]

Originally Posted by Cranberry

Thats an awesome story but at the same time its sad that working a clutch and driving a 6 spd is a dying thing. Now if you want to buy a Porsche with a standard transmission you need to pay a premium, not the other way around!

yes, because a MT will probably last much long than those complicate-DCT, thus while the manufacture(s) cannot squeeze your pocket for future repairing/replacement on a MT, they just ask you to pay more up front to offset their lost.

[onzedge]

Originally Posted by alcheng

yes, because a MT will probably last much long than those complicate-DCT, thus while the manufacture(s) cannot squeeze your pocket for future repairing/replacement on a MT, they just ask you to pay more up front to offset their lost.

[Spooler]

It's a sad day when we brag about a manual transmission because some low life will have a hard time stealing our car.

[ChopsZ]

It all boils down to people becoming more and more lazy, mostly so with the lazy fat slobs here in the US. That's why you can typically buy just about any vehicle overseas with a manual, but nearly everything over here in the states is an auto. Hell, even semi-trucks are automatics these days. Embarrassing...

[ramoszx12r]

Originally Posted by ChopsZ

It all boils down to people becoming more and more lazy, mostly so with the lazy fat slobs here in the US. That's why you can typically buy just about any vehicle overseas with a manual, but nearly everything over here in the states is an auto. Hell, even semi-trucks are automatics these days. Embarrassing...

[wanker]

Originally Posted by ChopsZ

It all boils down to people becoming more and more lazy, mostly so with the lazy fat slobs here in the US. That's why you can typically buy just about any vehicle overseas with a manual, but nearly everything over here in the states is an auto. Hell, even semi-trucks are automatics these days. Embarrassing...

Mmm, I'd disagree. It's really an issue of manual transmission becoming obsolete given the advent of ECUs and multi-geared transmissions. Computer controlled automatic transmissions are now quicker and are more efficient than manual transmissions -- and we Americans are a wealthy car culture who are willing to pay for benefit.

I'd venture to guess that automatic transmissions will outperform 90% of most drivers on a manual transmission. Even when you look at the track lap times, top drivers on a manual transmission can only outperform automatic transmission by a very small percentage.

[Desert Rat]

Today's automatics do outperform the manuals but they'll never give you the driving experience and zen that a manual provides.

It used to be that manuals were quicker. That changed sometime in the late 90s when auto technology made for crisper shifts, and there were more gears to bridge the huge gap of the old timey 2 and 3 speed automatics.

It's still a slushbox though.

[CRiZO]

Originally Posted by Desert Rat

[CRiZO]

Hey I drive an automatic but can I be a part of your circlejerk too? Dibs on the mush pot.