[OFFICIAL] Manual v. Automatic Thread

[Haboob]

I've started to enjoy the 6MT again driving around town, but I still think my next car will be a DCT auto still. Nothing less than a DCT though, so I guess I'm going to have to wait until they become a bit more mainstream in some more affordable cars.

[D.Stillwell]

Also, a CSC replacement is not that hard and not very expensive either. Thats the beauty of working on a manual tranny. You can always get a new clutch, flywheel, csc, etc...

Good luck working on your automatic.

[JARblue]

Originally Posted by D.Stillwell

Also, a CSC replacement is not that hard and not very expensive either. Thats the beauty of working on a manual tranny. You can always get a new clutch, flywheel, csc, etc...

Good luck working on your automatic.

Good points. I replaced the slave cylinder with the Z1 in my garage for $400. No prior experience. Even the buddy I enlisted to lead the project had never actually removed a transmission himself. Two full days over a weekend and no issues whatsoever. I would want some different tools to do it again, but we managed with just a floor jack, some jack stands, and a $120 HF transmission jack.

[jwick]

Originally Posted by JARblue

Good points. I replaced the slave cylinder with the Z1 in my garage for $400. No prior experience. Even the buddy I enlisted to lead the project had never actually removed a transmission himself. Two full days over a weekend and no issues whatsoever. I would want some different tools to do it again, but we managed with just a floor jack, some jack stands, and a $120 HF transmission jack.

That's cuz you drive a 'MAN'ual

[D.Stillwell]

Thats the point, its a few hundred bucks and some DIY and your 6MT is good again. I dont know why people get so worried about the CSC thing, its just not a big deal.

Beats trying to fix an automatic. And yeah, shifting mid turn is a nono. But you may feel different about that since auto puts power down differently.

[Haboob]

Originally Posted by D.Stillwell

Thats the point, its a few hundred bucks and some DIY and your 6MT is good again. I dont know why people get so worried about the CSC thing, its just not a big deal.

Beats trying to fix an automatic. And yeah, shifting mid turn is a nono. But you may feel different about that since auto puts power down differently.

Unless it goes out in the middle of Summer in Phoenix and you're in traffic, in your nice dress clothes and you have to push your car out of the middle lane through said traffic...

That's my fear.

[JARblue]

Originally Posted by Haboob

Unless it goes out in the middle of Summer in Phoenix and you're in traffic, in your nice dress clothes and you have to push your car out of the middle lane through said traffic...

That's my fear.

My fear was driving out to do an inspection at some random Texas Parks Wildlife Management Area out in the middle of nowhere in West Texas and having it fail on some back country road with no traffic or cell service. Glad I don't have to worry about that any more

[mishuko]

Originally Posted by Haboob

Unless it goes out in the middle of Summer in Phoenix and you're in traffic, in your nice dress clothes and you have to push your car out of the middle lane through said traffic...

That's my fear.

it can happen in any car. few years back we had an automatic bimmer that conked out on the freeway. middle lane, rush hour morning traffic. yea... i have never been so scared in a car in my entire life.

[ped]

Originally Posted by BC416

I disagree. I spend most of my time in 6th gear at around 65-75. The car sounds fine at this RPM. Once you dip under 60mph, then it starts to drone but I'm downshifting into 5th by that speed. I daily drive the car. I had a catless, turboback exhaust SRT-4 before this car, I know what drone is.

A big part of the drone also comes from a 7AT vs a 6MT. The AT is always putting the car into a gear where drone is massively present on the FI.

[FPenvy]

Originally Posted by ped

A big part of the drone also comes from a 7AT vs a 6MT. The AT is always putting the car into a gear where drone is massively present on the FI.

wait..........people allow the AT to shift for them?

i guess i am using mine incorrectly.

[ped]

Originally Posted by FPenvy

wait..........people allow the AT to shift for them?

i guess i am using mine incorrectly.

Using the paddles can be fun... until you use them to downshift. Then the delay makes it less fun. The auto does a very good job if left to its own devices, I find.

[FPenvy]

Originally Posted by ped

Using the paddles can be fun... until you use them to downshift. Then the delay makes it less fun. The auto does a very good job if left to its own devices, I find.

........the delay?

the auto downshifts just as fast if not faster than any and all manual drivers.


also the auto left to "it's own devices" is like a special olympics kid. it does a good job and gets a medal but in manual mode is where it shines.

[ped]

Originally Posted by FPenvy

........the delay?

the auto downshifts just as fast if not faster than any and all manual drivers.

I'm talking about the delay from when you demand a shift to a lower gear (click the paddle) to when it actually does it.

[Haboob]

Originally Posted by ped

Using the paddles can be fun... until you use them to downshift. Then the delay makes it less fun. The auto does a very good job if left to its own devices, I find.

You like to leave the D in too?

It feels so good.



Though, I like to finger the paddles too sometimes, so I take the D out.

[Dirk McGurck]

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