[OFFICIAL] Manual v. Automatic Thread

[Shotta]

This thread is full of awesome. It's clear manual guys love manuals and auto guys love autos. I am firmly in the I never ever want to own a auto sports car camp no matter how fast an auto can shift. There is a hell of a lot more getting enjoyment out of driving a car and for me having a third pedal and stick shifter adds to a great driving experience. I'm sure this is the same feeling for every other manual transmission sports car driver on the planet. They didn't buy the manual because it was cheaper, in fact I had to search through a pile of used autos before I finally found a manual in the color I wanted. There's probably 20 autos for sale for every 1 manual I like that.

Jaguar just brought a manual transmission back into their sports car after not having it for years, that what their buyers demanded.

It's funny because coming from the bmw world for the past 20 years, none of the bmw performance people will even touch an auto coupe bmw, rwd and the ability to shift kept them ahead of the other euro cars.

[foss]

Originally Posted by Shotta

I am firmly in the I never ever want to own a auto sports car camp no matter how fast an auto can shift. There is a hell of a lot more getting enjoyment out of driving a car and for me having a third pedal and stick shifter adds to a great driving experience. I'm sure this is the same feeling for every other manual transmission sports car driver on the planet.

You are reading my mind.

[airikrankin]

I dont think drag racing is pointless, just buying an auto to drag race. Those similarly equipped cars that were auto, the car beat you, not the driver. Do you think if that car was a manual u would have won? Thats the only point im trying to make with drag racing. If i were to race an auto i would probly loose but i wouldnt think it was because that guy was better than me. I know that an automatic shifts faster than a human. But if i were to race someone else in a manual and loose, then that person is a better driver

Racing on a road coarse or anything with hard turns the transmission means almost nothing(other than fun factor for some people) much skill/balls are required. It would be a drivers race.

Drag Racing an auto, well not much skill required

Also no i do not use rev match, i bought a base, had no interest for it

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[FPenvy]

Originally Posted by airikrankin

Perhaps i view things differently, i bought my z as a toy. Anytime i take it out it is for the fun of it. Bought mine 3yrs ago only put 10k miles on it. Its just not practical for anything else other than spirited driving. Not once did i ever wish it was auto, if i got stuck in traffic alot on say to work, i would wish i had a second car to drive to work that was an automatic. If i go to pittsburgh i just dont drive the z. Tho probly more because of the pot holes than anything. Where i live its open roads so the manual is for me. As far as saying all new sports cars are going auto and manuals are obsolete, this is true because not only are they automatic, there are many other features that keep the car on the road and under control. Allowing bad drivers to be good drivers with the false belief they were the reason for their track times, ignoring everything else that kept them from loosing it around a turn. People with money want to go fast, not all of them have the skills to do it.

the Z is practical in many ways I feel in the warm weather months at least. I mean if you're hauling kids or a construction worker I can see why it wouldn't be practical. I DD mine when the weather is warm (end of march-nov.) and it's perfect. even can fit 2 golf bags in the back.

I rarely take my Z into the city either based on parking. also based on the dbags who also park terribly there. Pittsburgh has the worst parking ever.

and just because a car is auto doesn't mean it gives a false sense of driving ability. I don't even know how my car actually reacts in "auto" mode. I never use it as an automatic.

Originally Posted by JWillis72

I can tell you I have never gone into a turn on a race track and thought " wow a clutch pedal would make this fun!", if you think a 7AT is boring then I'm guessing you haven't driven one hard. Using a clutch isn't rocket science or hard to use, the paddles are just faster.

preach!

Originally Posted by airikrankin

I dont think drag racing is pointless, just buying an auto to drag race. Those similarly equipped cars that were auto, the car beat you, not the driver. Do you think if that car was a manual u would have won? Thats the only point im trying to make with drag racing. If i were to race an auto i would probly loose but i wouldnt think it was because that guy was better than me. I know that an automatic shifts faster than a human. But if i were to race someone else in a manual and loose, then that person is a better driver

Racing on a road coarse or anything with hard turns the transmission means almost nothing(other than fun factor for some people) much skill/balls are required. It would be a drivers race.

Drag Racing an auto, well not much skill required

Also no i do not use rev match, i bought a base, had no interest for it

you realize top fuel runs automatics right? lol the auto being pointless in drag racing argument doesn't hold much water.

and the SRM is one of the greatest features on the Z. you're missing out on that one especially being a manual transmission advocate. unless you're the purist type then you'll think its pointless.

[Memphis370Z]

I respect your opinions. We'll just agree to disagree.

[Jordo!]

And so it goes.

At least the tarring and feathering of the heretics around here (including me ) seems to have petered out.

It is interesting that a few DCT/super-slush-box only sports car manufacturers have brought back a clutch pedal operated car for a few specialized models. I think that is a-okay by me.

I also think its great that I can use the pedals or gear shift for rapid up and downshifts when I want to play around (and you can tune them to suit your driving style at load, such that gentler at light load and neck-snapping under moderate load), and then when Tampa traffic forces me to drive at 30 mph in a 45 (meaning up to 50 is technically okay...), I can slide the car into D and cruise with (somewhat) less cursing and screaming.

Nothing against folks who prefer to work the clutch under any and all conditions, but so long as I have control when I want it and can just cruise comfortably when merely trying to endure my commute, I'm happy.

If not a Z35, the next car is going to be a 4c. Bring on the DCT

[JC-Nismo]

It's all preference, no right or wrong in any of the choices. My Srt8 is Autoshift and I've always driven it like that since day 1 and have always changed the gears myself and you grow to love it. My Nismo is fun too and can't even imagine it being anything but a manual as a lot of us believe sports cars should be. If it's noted by car manufacturers that no one can shift gears faster than today's modern gearboxes and reaction time is the only flaw in a drag race between two stock cars, then why do some argue racing autos are pointless when the car is faster and winning races seems to be the whole point? Fun Factor maybe?

[b15]

I could never use the Z as a daily driver, it's just not practical for me. I guess if I could only have one car and it had to be a Z, then I would probably pick the AT, and mainly because of traffic.

[JARblue]

Originally Posted by Memphis370Z

Do you ever use SRM when you drive your Z?

It's a great feature when driving the car around the city

I turn it off when I do 'spirited' driving in order to keep my skills up to speed

Originally Posted by FPenvy

and the SRM is one of the greatest features on the Z. you're missing out on that one especially being a manual transmission advocate. unless you're the purist type then you'll think its pointless.

SRM is great in traffic. If you like to do your own rev-matching, turn it off or you'll just end up fighting it.

[airikrankin]

Im with shotta, explains my point from earlier, with new tech in cars it makes good racers out of bad drivers. I guess its more than auto vs man transmissions. But auto vs manual cars, at what point do u say my car is faster than yours instead of im a better driver than you are. Nothin feels better than racing a car that should flat out smoke you yet you end up winning because that guy cant drive


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[FPenvy]

Originally Posted by airikrankin

Im with shotta, explains my point from earlier, with new tech in cars it makes good racers out of bad drivers. I guess its more than auto vs man transmissions. But auto vs manual cars, at what point do u say my car is faster than yours instead of im a better driver than you are. Nothin feels better than racing a car that should flat out smoke you yet you end up winning because that guy cant drive


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you know that happens on the drag strip too .......just saying lol

[airikrankin]

Ya with manual transmissions


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[FPenvy]

Originally Posted by airikrankin

Ya with manual transmissions


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exactly.

it means they are the lesser setup.

[airikrankin]

Do you AT guys even lift?


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[FPenvy]

Originally Posted by airikrankin

Do you AT guys even lift?


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no we do not need to lift nor should we lift when shifting.