Well, as I've said before: If the Top Gear guys have come to accept and even embrace "flappy paddle gearboxes"* (they don't seem to complain anymore), it seems that other
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Well, as I've said before: If the Top Gear guys have come to accept and even embrace "flappy paddle gearboxes"* (they don't seem to complain anymore), it seems that other car enthusiasts might consider following suit.
Anyway, nobody will feel the need to make excuses or provide detailed explanations for their car if they're not attacked, directly or indirectly, for it... just sayin'.** EDIT: *By which I really mean: "automatic transmissions, regardless of mechanical design, developed for high performance applications". The latest iteration of the 7AT doesn't even have paddles in base form, and many cars with paddle shifters have poorly designed transmissions. I hang my head in shame for failing to spell this all out more precisely in my original post. Sheesh. **This comment was the more critical point to reflect on...
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The flappy paddle gearboxes as referred to on Top Gear arent torque converter automatics. Not downing the 7at, but let's not be real here. Flappy paddle gearboxes, as coined by Top Gear = dct. The 7at, is not.
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Why exactly does that matter? Performance? Concept? Imagined stigma? The DCT on the Veloster sucks syphilitic monkey balls and the "slushbox" on the Jaguar F-type coupe is generally regarded as sublime. No one at Top Gear is going to crap all over the new Jag because somewhere, low in it's underbelly, lurks a very embarrassingly un-sporty torque converter. I think they'll endure the shame for the good of the Empire. The flappy paddles refer to, well, the flappy paddles, not to the presence or absence of a torque converter...
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When Top Gear coined that phrase they were reviewing automated manuals and dcts in very high end sports/super cars, not conventional ATs with paddles.
Then manufacturers got in the band wagon and threw paddles onto their slushboxes as a 'sporty option'. The 7at comparisons, referencing Ferrari, Lamborghini, Porsche, etc. are comical. Yes these high end sports cars are shifting away from manuals but they certainly aren't shifting towards a torque converter. My Maxima rental this week has paddles, by literal interpretation of the phrase, that makes this CVT a flappy paddle gearbox, correct? Even though it has no gears? Or how about the 7at in the g37x I had. Essentially the same transmission without paddles but does the exact same thing via the shifter as the Z with paddles? Is that just an automatic? Again, I think the 7at is a good trans, I've driven it in Z, G, and FX applications, but it's not 'flappy paddle gearbox', at least by my definition and what Top Gear was testing when they coined the phrase. |
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But then again arguing semantics is pointless. Everyone has their own viewpoints/opinions. Make all the comparisons/claims you want. If you enjoy it, who cares! At least our cars looks damn good!
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I'll never understand why a DCT is so important especially since they aren't known for there long term reliability. Our old school auto shifts almost as fast as a DCT and its a more reliable and proven design. Don't get me wrong I love DCT transmissions but what would we gain over the current design? Most likely we would get a slightly quicker shift and I mean slightly with a bunch of new maintenance costs and most likely more serious reliability issues. Now more importantly lets get back to arguing over the term "flappy paddles".
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The Top Gear guys probably have no idea how either a torque converter or a DCT work -- those guys are notoriously ignorant (and happy to remain so) on the inner workings of cars. That name was inspired by having paddles to flap. It's irrelevant to the point -- change what I said to "higher performance AT's" instead. Anyway, my point is: If an automated trans works well, it should be better liked, and if it works poorly, then irrespective of how it works, it should be less liked. In other words, if a driver's controlled inputs for shifts result in fast, precise gear changes, why does it matter how they're mechanically actuated? This fine shade of gray regarding general approval or disapproval of AT's seems to be all based on a general distaste for anything involving a torque converter, regardless of how well it works. That doesn't make any sense to me. On that note, I doubt the AT on the Maxima shifts as well as the Z as they are probably different units, with different gearing, and different tunes. On the other hand, the Maxima, the Z, the IS-F and the Jaguar F-type all have a "slushbox". Therefore the AT on all of these cars are equivalent and terrible?
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aventador - single clutch pagani huayara - single clutch etc... again another incorrect piece of info by B15 trying to down on the 7AT.
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You guys comparing the Zs AT to the Aventador and other single clutch transmissions crack me up. Also, I am willing to bet that anyone saying that the 7AT shifts almost as fast as a GTR or 458 has never driven a real DTC.
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