[OFFICIAL] Manual v. Automatic Thread

[Tadpole]

This thread is just to poke a little fun at each other. It is interesting on what everyone's thoughts are on preference and saying.

[MJB]

I find it funny when 7AT guys always bring up the fact the auto Z is faster than the 6mt. Lol, 2-3 tenths of a second faster to 60 or in the 1/4 is not going to make me jump ship to a slush box, nor do I think it will to other manual drivers. I won't disrespect somebody for buying an auto Z..... however, I can't stand people that have no idea how to drive stick, yet they claim how much better the 7AT is, and how all super cars have autos, and manuals are dated, blah blah blah. And believe it, there are tons of dudes in here that only bought an auto because they don't know how operate a manual gearbox... Of course they won't ever admit to it. People you would least expect. And you'll hear the 3 main excuses over and over. "I have a bad knee, my gf/wife needs to be able to drive it, I live in an area with bumper to bumper traffic."

[Jordo!]

Originally Posted by MJB

I find it funny when 7AT guys always bring up the fact the auto Z is faster than the 6mt. Lol, 2-3 tenths of a second faster to 60 or in the 1/4 is not going to make me jump ship to a slush box, nor do I think it will to other manual drivers. I won't disrespect somebody for buying an auto Z..... however, I can't stand people that have no idea how to drive stick, yet they claim how much better the 7AT is, and how all super cars have autos, and manuals are dated, blah blah blah. And believe it, there are tons of dudes in here that only bought an auto because they don't know how operate a manual gearbox... Of course they won't ever admit to it. People you would least expect. And you'll hear the 3 main excuses over and over. "I have a bad knee, my gf/wife needs to be able to drive it, I live in an area with bumper to bumper traffic."

I don't know how many folks with the 7AT fall into that particular category, but I can tell you what's behind anyone defending the merits of the AT to someone with a MT:

Hardcore MT only enthusiasts openly (and repeatedly) mock the owners of AT's, deride anyone for even contemplating buying an AT, and bash the living hell out of the very concept of an AT sports car.

That understandably puts some people on the defensive...

You can't argue personal preferences or subjective qualia (see further, fans of the FR-S), but you can certainly point to measurable performance metrics or technical improvements as objective facts to be considered in evaluating something (see further, not-fans of the FR-S).

I kind of thought folks were a little more easy going on here about the AT vs MT thing, but maybe not...?

AT vs. MT (at least for the Z) is not like choosing illiteracy over literacy; it's more like taking digital over analog.

I'm guessing everyone will chill out on this issue by and by... Ferrari certainly did (the company, if not the member).

[MJB]

Originally Posted by Jordo!

Hardcore MT only enthusiasts openly (and repeatedly) mock the owners of AT's, deride anyone for even contemplating buying an AT, and bash the living hell out of the very concept of an AT sports car.

That understandably puts some people on the defensive...

You don't have to explain it to me bro, I've seen that in every car forum I've been on for as long as I can remember. Actually, the auto bashing on this forum is a lot more tame compared to others. Spend some time on My350z, or better yet read the Youtube comments whenever a video of an auto sports car is posted. Its rough.

[Tadpole]

Well one thing is for sure, I can drive the hell out of any manual transmission. My first experience in driving one is when I was 10 years old. My dad had a 67 Chevelle S'S with a three speed on a tree. Until you learn how to drive an old school manual without the hydraulic assistance you should understand why I prefer an auto. Oh yea and my wife will absolutely not drive a manual either. My preference is auto for several reasons I stated in earlier posts and in my opinion the Z is set up very well in either configuration.

[1slow370]

or until you want to turbo then it is all manual, all day.

Edit: also I drove an automatic z and it was bad, Also rode in a q50 and wanted to kill myself. the q50 is a good car with terrible controls.

[Tadpole]

Originally Posted by 1slow370

or until you want to turbo then it is all manual, all day.

Edit: also I drove an automatic z and it was bad ***!!!! Also rode in a q50 and wanted to kill myself. the q50 is a good car with terrible controls.

Fixed it for ya!

[1slow370]

Haha keep telling urself that bro, only way you could get me into an automatic is if you cut off my left foot.

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[Tadpole]

Originally Posted by 1slow370

Haha keep telling urself that bro, only way you could get me into an automatic is if you cut off my left foot.

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That can be arranged.

[TerribleONE]

Somebody should just let this poor thread die already..

Oh and AT<DCT<MT

[Tadpole]

Yes we auto boys get bashed pretty hard on YouTube. I always get that question as to why I drive and auto in a sports car but my answer never sinks in right. It seems the natural thing to have is a manual with them. I just pipe off to stir the pot is all on this thread.

[Jordo!]

Well, as I've said before: If the Top Gear guys have come to accept and even embrace "flappy paddle gearboxes"* (they don't seem to complain anymore), it seems that other car enthusiasts might consider following suit.

Anyway, nobody will feel the need to make excuses or provide detailed explanations for their car if they're not attacked, directly or indirectly, for it... just sayin'.**

EDIT:
*By which I really mean: "automatic transmissions, regardless of mechanical design, developed for high performance applications".

The latest iteration of the 7AT doesn't even have paddles in base form, and many cars with paddle shifters have poorly designed transmissions. I hang my head in shame for failing to spell this all out more precisely in my original post.

Sheesh.

**This comment was the more critical point to reflect on...

[b15]

The flappy paddle gearboxes as referred to on Top Gear arent torque converter automatics. Not downing the 7at, but let's not be real here. Flappy paddle gearboxes, as coined by Top Gear = dct. The 7at, is not.

[Jordo!]

Originally Posted by b15

The flappy paddle gearboxes as referred to on Top Gear arent torque converter automatics. Not downing the 7at, but let's not be real here. Flappy paddle gearboxes, as coined by Top Gear = dct. The 7at, is not.

Groan.

Why exactly does that matter? Performance? Concept? Imagined stigma?

The DCT on the Veloster sucks syphilitic monkey balls and the "slushbox" on the Jaguar F-type coupe is generally regarded as sublime.

No one at Top Gear is going to crap all over the new Jag because somewhere, low in it's underbelly, lurks a very embarrassingly un-sporty torque converter. I think they'll endure the shame for the good of the Empire.

The flappy paddles refer to, well, the flappy paddles, not to the presence or absence of a torque converter...

[FPenvy]

Originally Posted by b15

The flappy paddle gearboxes as referred to on Top Gear arent torque converter automatics. Not downing the 7at, but let's not be real here. Flappy paddle gearboxes, as coined by Top Gear = dct. The 7at, is not.

you do realize not every car on top gear that they say "flappy paddle gearbox" is a DCT right?

aventador - single clutch
pagani huayara - single clutch
etc...

again another incorrect piece of info by B15 trying to down on the 7AT.