[OFFICIAL] Manual v. Automatic Thread

vtec to vvel · 04-16-2018, 06:04 PM

I went from an ‘09 7AT to a ‘13 6MT and there definitely is a difference. Both have their pros and cons. The 7AT is quicker esp off the line, but the 6MT has the fun factor.

radix023 · 08-05-2018, 08:19 AM

https://www.wkrn.com/news/teens-char...ing/1343847459

Cranberry · 08-05-2018, 11:12 AM

Thats an awesome story but at the same time its sad that working a clutch and driving a 6 spd is a dying thing. Now if you want to buy a Porsche with a standard transmission you need to pay a premium, not the other way around!

Spooler · 08-05-2018, 04:34 PM

It's a sad day when we brag about a manual transmission because some low life will have a hard time stealing our car.

alcheng · 08-05-2018, 05:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Cranberry

Thats an awesome story but at the same time its sad that working a clutch and driving a 6 spd is a dying thing. Now if you want to buy a Porsche with a standard transmission you need to pay a premium, not the other way around!

yes, because a MT will probably last much long than those complicate-DCT, thus while the manufacture(s) cannot squeeze your pocket for future repairing/replacement on a MT, they just ask you to pay more up front to offset their lost.

onzedge · 08-05-2018, 08:27 PM

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Originally Posted by alcheng

yes, because a MT will probably last much long than those complicate-DCT, thus while the manufacture(s) cannot squeeze your pocket for future repairing/replacement on a MT, they just ask you to pay more up front to offset their lost.

ChopsZ · 08-05-2018, 09:33 PM

It all boils down to people becoming more and more lazy, mostly so with the lazy fat slobs here in the US. That's why you can typically buy just about any vehicle overseas with a manual, but nearly everything over here in the states is an auto. Hell, even semi-trucks are automatics these days. Embarrassing...

ramoszx12r · 08-06-2018, 07:46 AM

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Originally Posted by ChopsZ

It all boils down to people becoming more and more lazy, mostly so with the lazy fat slobs here in the US. That's why you can typically buy just about any vehicle overseas with a manual, but nearly everything over here in the states is an auto. Hell, even semi-trucks are automatics these days. Embarrassing...

CRiZO · 08-06-2018, 10:08 AM

Hey I drive an automatic but can I be a part of your circlejerk too? Dibs on the mush pot.

2011 Nismo#91 · 08-06-2018, 01:22 PM

IMO does anyone miss the old mechanical typewriters? Automatics and Automated manuals are becoming or already are better then traditional manuals in every way. I would have no issues with my next new car not being a manual.

alcheng · 08-06-2018, 03:18 PM

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Originally Posted by 2011 Nismo#91

IMO does anyone miss the old mechanical typewriters? Automatics and Automated manuals are becoming or already are better then traditional manuals in every way. I would have no issues with my next new car not being a manual.

but no matter how good the AT is, it cannot prevent your car from being hijacked like a MT

and that's the original point of this thread, I believe.

radix023 · 08-06-2018, 04:25 PM

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Originally Posted by 2011 Nismo#91

IMO does anyone miss the old mechanical typewriters? Automatics and Automated manuals are becoming or already are better then traditional manuals in every way. I would have no issues with my next new car not being a manual.

With a manual, you can anticipate a corner and select the gear to use, rev the engine and engage at perfect point to get maximum acceleration out of the corner. With an automatic you have to press down the gas and wait for the computer to figure out what you want from it. That loses you seconds.

wanker · 08-06-2018, 04:42 PM

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Originally Posted by ChopsZ

It all boils down to people becoming more and more lazy, mostly so with the lazy fat slobs here in the US. That's why you can typically buy just about any vehicle overseas with a manual, but nearly everything over here in the states is an auto. Hell, even semi-trucks are automatics these days. Embarrassing...

Mmm, I'd disagree. It's really an issue of manual transmission becoming obsolete given the advent of ECUs and multi-geared transmissions. Computer controlled automatic transmissions are now quicker and are more efficient than manual transmissions -- and we Americans are a wealthy car culture who are willing to pay for benefit.

I'd venture to guess that automatic transmissions will outperform 90% of most drivers on a manual transmission. Even when you look at the track lap times, top drivers on a manual transmission can only outperform automatic transmission by a very small percentage.

Desert Rat · 08-06-2018, 05:16 PM

Today's automatics do outperform the manuals but they'll never give you the driving experience and zen that a manual provides.

It used to be that manuals were quicker. That changed sometime in the late 90s when auto technology made for crisper shifts, and there were more gears to bridge the huge gap of the old timey 2 and 3 speed automatics.

It's still a slushbox though.

Magic Bus · 08-06-2018, 05:23 PM

How'd I'd know this would turn into an auto vs manual thread?

04-16-2018, 06:04 PM	#1816 (permalink)
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08-05-2018, 09:33 PM	#1822 (permalink)
ChopsZ Track Member Join Date: May 2016 Location: Central Florida Age: 49 Posts: 965 Drives: 2016 370Z GM 6MT Rep Power: 2301	It all boils down to people becoming more and more lazy, mostly so with the lazy fat slobs here in the US. That's why you can typically buy just about any vehicle overseas with a manual, but nearly everything over here in the states is an auto. Hell, even semi-trucks are automatics these days. Embarrassing... Ghostvette, Spooler and ramoszx12r like this. __________________ She's For Sale! PERFORMANCE: Aero Workz \| Akebono \| BC Racing \| EcuTek \| HKS \| MaxBore \| Motordyne \| Nismo \| RJM \| SPL \| StopTech \| Z1 AUDIO: Arc Audio \| Bazooka \| Helix \| Pioneer \| Stereo Integrity

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CRiZO Track Member Join Date: Nov 2017 Location: Dallas Posts: 672 Drives: in traffic Rep Power: 20698	Hey I drive an automatic but can I be a part of your circlejerk too? Dibs on the mush pot. wideglideleon and Jap**Vet* like this.

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Spooler A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jun 2014 Location: Ga Posts: 13,800 Drives: 2013 Nismo 370z Rep Power: 2684392	It's a sad day when we brag about a manual transmission because some low life will have a hard time stealing our car.

08-06-2018, 01:22 PM	#1825 (permalink)
2011 Nismo#91 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: NJ Posts: 2,400 Drives: slowly Rep Power: 40569	IMO does anyone miss the old mechanical typewriters? Automatics and Automated manuals are becoming or already are better then traditional manuals in every way. I would have no issues with my next new car not being a manual. wideglideleon and Jap**Vet* like this. __________________ GTR TT 493Whp/431lbft, Ecutek, Southbend 6puck,Quaife, RPM RollBar 4Point, R888R, JRZ RSPro F(10R/10C) R(10R/6C) 1000f500r inlbs+150inlbs Tender, SPL everywhere.Full Specs

08-06-2018, 05:16 PM	#1829 (permalink)
Desert Rat Base Member Join Date: Jun 2016 Location: Mesa, AZ Posts: 189 Drives: 2014 370Z M6 Base Rep Power: 3365	Today's automatics do outperform the manuals but they'll never give you the driving experience and zen that a manual provides. It used to be that manuals were quicker. That changed sometime in the late 90s when auto technology made for crisper shifts, and there were more gears to bridge the huge gap of the old timey 2 and 3 speed automatics. It's still a slushbox though. onzedge, wanker, YYZ and 1 others like this.

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Magic Bus A True Z Fanatic Join Date: May 2012 Location: Honolulu Posts: 1,427 Drives: 17 6MT M2 Rep Power: 18754	How'd I'd know this would turn into an auto vs manual thread?

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