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jwick 01-19-2016 09:46 AM

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Originally Posted by FPenvy (Post 3391753)
you misspelled "fraction".



no one has found it because anyone who boosts it puts a new clutch in to handle it.


We're talking about the transmission. The clutch is outside the transmission. Do we need to grab a diagram from how it works from you so you'll understand? :stirthepot:

FPenvy 01-19-2016 09:48 AM

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Originally Posted by jwick (Post 3391758)
We're talking about the transmission. The clutch is outside the transmission. Do we need to grab a diagram from how it works from you so you'll understand? :stirthepot:

its still a main component that needs to be change to handle the additional power.

D.Stillwell 01-19-2016 09:51 AM

Also, a CSC replacement is not that hard and not very expensive either. Thats the beauty of working on a manual tranny. You can always get a new clutch, flywheel, csc, etc...

Good luck working on your automatic.

Haboob 01-19-2016 09:53 AM

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Originally Posted by FPenvy (Post 3391750)
the MT isn't much stronger and that's after you pay to change the CSC that WILL fail.

and as for 2 I honestly 100% have more fun ripping through back roads, highways, etc.... with 2 hands on the wheels grabbing paddles. not only am I safer i'm also quicker in many ways.

I'm not any less safe with a 6MT.

You don't change gears through a corner, that's a big no-no. Always two hands on the wheel when cornering.

(Unless you're drifting, then everything is thrown out the window)

JARblue 01-19-2016 09:55 AM

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Originally Posted by D.Stillwell (Post 3391766)
Also, a CSC replacement is not that hard and not very expensive either. Thats the beauty of working on a manual tranny. You can always get a new clutch, flywheel, csc, etc...

Good luck working on your automatic.

Good points. I replaced the slave cylinder with the Z1 in my garage for $400. No prior experience. Even the buddy I enlisted to lead the project had never actually removed a transmission himself. Two full days over a weekend and no issues whatsoever. I would want some different tools to do it again, but we managed with just a floor jack, some jack stands, and a $120 HF transmission jack.

jwick 01-19-2016 10:04 AM

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Originally Posted by JARblue (Post 3391770)
Good points. I replaced the slave cylinder with the Z1 in my garage for $400. No prior experience. Even the buddy I enlisted to lead the project had never actually removed a transmission himself. Two full days over a weekend and no issues whatsoever. I would want some different tools to do it again, but we managed with just a floor jack, some jack stands, and a $120 HF transmission jack.

That's cuz you drive a 'MAN'ual

jwick 01-19-2016 10:06 AM

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Originally Posted by FPenvy (Post 3391762)
its still a main component that needs to be change to handle the additional power.

You mean like that crappy flex plate that comes in your shitty AT? We can go back and forth one for one on all components "OUTSIDE" the transmission but if we compare just the transmission itself there is no comparison on the ability to hold power. MT >>> AT

FPenvy 01-19-2016 10:07 AM

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Originally Posted by jwick (Post 3391781)
You mean like that crappy flex plate that comes in your shitty AT? We can go back and forth one for one on all components "OUTSIDE" the transmission but if we compare just the transmission itself there is no comparison on the ability to hold power. MT >>> AT

still doesn't make it a better option. stock for stock it'll fail just the same with added power. might take a little more but it will fail.

jwick 01-19-2016 10:11 AM

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Originally Posted by FPenvy (Post 3391785)
still doesn't make it a better option. stock for stock it'll fail just the same with added power. might take a little more but it will fail.

It'll hold at least an extra 100wtq before failing. That's a huge percentage and not 'fail just the same with added power'. It'll hold more power before it fails. That's a win!

I never argue the points that are clearly in the ATs favor but you always seem to argue about the points that are clearly in the MTs favor. :shakes head:

FPenvy 01-19-2016 10:12 AM

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Originally Posted by jwick (Post 3391789)
It'll hold at least an extra 100wtq before failing. That's a huge percentage and not 'fail just the same with added power'. It'll hold more power before it fails. That's a win!

I never argue the points that are clearly in the ATs favor but you always seem to argue about the points that are clearly in the MTs favor. :shakes head:

I just like to argue haven't we established this already? act like you've been here before lol :bowrofl:

jwick 01-19-2016 10:13 AM

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Originally Posted by FPenvy (Post 3391790)
I just like to argue haven't we established this already? act like you've been here before lol :bowrofl:

And you failed. If that were true you would have argued with my last statement.

I WIN!!!

D.Stillwell 01-19-2016 10:16 AM

Thats the point, its a few hundred bucks and some DIY and your 6MT is good again. I dont know why people get so worried about the CSC thing, its just not a big deal.

Beats trying to fix an automatic. And yeah, shifting mid turn is a nono. But you may feel different about that since auto puts power down differently.

FPenvy 01-19-2016 10:26 AM

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Originally Posted by jwick (Post 3391794)
And you failed. If that were true you would have argued with my last statement.

I WIN!!!

dammit.

:shakes head:

Haboob 01-19-2016 10:32 AM

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Originally Posted by D.Stillwell (Post 3391801)
Thats the point, its a few hundred bucks and some DIY and your 6MT is good again. I dont know why people get so worried about the CSC thing, its just not a big deal.

Beats trying to fix an automatic. And yeah, shifting mid turn is a nono. But you may feel different about that since auto puts power down differently.

Unless it goes out in the middle of Summer in Phoenix and you're in traffic, in your nice dress clothes and you have to push your car out of the middle lane through said traffic...

That's my fear.

JARblue 01-19-2016 11:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Haboob (Post 3391812)
Unless it goes out in the middle of Summer in Phoenix and you're in traffic, in your nice dress clothes and you have to push your car out of the middle lane through said traffic...

That's my fear.

My fear was driving out to do an inspection at some random Texas Parks Wildlife Management Area out in the middle of nowhere in West Texas and having it fail on some back country road with no traffic or cell service. Glad I don't have to worry about that any more :tup: :driving:


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