Nissan Ester Oil - good news! see inside

6MT · 06-16-2010, 10:42 AM

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Originally Posted by jpit

You might want to ask them how they managed to rotate the tires.

Like.... wtf?

efuseakay · 06-16-2010, 11:05 AM

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Originally Posted by '10Anamoly

It's not a gimmick. I know because since they swapped it out, the engine is much quieter, especially the valvetrain. Cold starts have no more chatter noise from the valvetrain that used to be there.

I'm pretty sure that even if Ester oil is not the most advanced stuff out there, Nissan would not have produced it if it did not do anything and wore your engine out faster.

I'm not saying it wears your engine faster/damages it. I'm just saying it's a waste of $ and any perceivable benefits are far outweighed by the cost.

Greg C · 06-16-2010, 07:20 PM

Ok after my first oil change I was a bit shocked at the price and then the dealer told me about the special oil they have to use in the 370.
I use to have a 350 and that was never the case, so I bought a quart of this new and improved oil and had it analized by a friend who researhes oils and greases for the industry.
His words to me were there is nothing in the Nissan oil that is any different from Mobil 1.
Do I still use the NIssan oil yes because I don't want them to tell me I have voided the warranty but I do believe this is just another rip off

flashburn · 06-16-2010, 08:21 PM

They can't void your warranty because you don't use their Ester oil. So don't worry about that. In the user manual it even states that their Ester oil is only "recommended" and not required.

spearfish25 · 06-16-2010, 08:23 PM

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Originally Posted by SkyDancer

Are you sure about this? You are correct the tire has to be mounted on the rim with the correct side 'out'. However when I took my Z (touring / sport) in to Discount Tires (who I consider to be top notch in their business niche) to rotate them (rear to rear; front to front) they said the tires should not be swapped to the other side because the tread pattern for channeling water becomes reversed which affects the tire handling on water surfaces.

If you can find an arrow that shows a unidirectional rotation, please post it for me to see too. I've looked and the Bridgestone site doesn't list them as directional.

'10Anamoly · 06-17-2010, 11:25 AM

Like I mentioned though, with the Maintenance program its covered for all oil changes to 75k. I might switch off afterwards, but I'm definately not minding that it's not costing me extra.

Regarding the maintenance program price, its up to 25 oil changes I believe (max) by 75k miles, or an oil change every 3k. With tire rotation and the oil change 25 times over 75000 miles, at $1042 total, I'm paying $41.68 each time to get the tires rotated and the Ester oil changed. Even if it only has a minor valvetrain noise benefit, its costing me less than a normal oil change and tire rotation costs together so who cares. Of course you have to add interest normally but I am paying off that portion of the principal this month and then some so it wont matter.

I'll be using the Ester oil, you decide for your car.

efuseakay · 06-17-2010, 05:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Greg C

Ok after my first oil change I was a bit shocked at the price and then the dealer told me about the special oil they have to use in the 370.
I use to have a 350 and that was never the case, so I bought a quart of this new and improved oil and had it analized by a friend who researhes oils and greases for the industry.
His words to me were there is nothing in the Nissan oil that is any different from Mobil 1.
Do I still use the NIssan oil yes because I don't want them to tell me I have voided the warranty but I do believe this is just another rip off

See... Esther is a gimmick. It's a waste of $.

Nissan cannot void your warranty if you don't use their voodoo grease.

Any name-brand off-the-shelf oil will be fine if you plan on following the "every 3750 miles" schedule.

6MT · 06-17-2010, 05:35 PM

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Originally Posted by efuseakay

See... Esther is a gimmick. It's a waste of $.

Nissan cannot void your warranty if you don't use their voodoo grease.

Any name-brand off-the-shelf oil will be fine if you plan on following the "every 3750 miles" schedule.

Well.... it's your money (and engine... valve train to be specific).

As someone mentioned earlier... I'll be using oil with that spec. (Amsoil to name names).

Good Luck!

370Zsteve · 07-19-2010, 11:31 AM

"His words to me were there is nothing in the Nissan oil that is any different from Mobil 1."

Your crack(head) oil expert said there is no difference between a synthetic oil and a dino oil?

NYBladeZ · 07-19-2010, 01:09 PM

I use Motul Power Racing 300v, I love it thus far. Even on a cold start the car settles in very fast, its ester based, and for at least the first run with Motul I got a great deal off a forum member. I think I'm going to keep using it, might as well go with the best.

VCuomo · 07-19-2010, 01:14 PM

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Originally Posted by darrinps

Two things. One, they way overcharged you. Mine was like $400 and they threw it in after some haggling and two, I am not so sure Ester based CONVENTIONAL oil is as good as a synthetic to begin with.

I know Nissan recommends it, but I have never seen any tests done to show that it performs all that great and in fact the opposite seems to be the case. I wonder if it isn't more that they have a vested interest.

I put my trust in the folks over at Bob Is The Oil Guy site. They are saying synthetic...and I tend to agree.

I'll probably just bring my own M1 or PP to them when they do the change unless they have it there at a reasonable cost.

BTW, here are a few links talking about Nissan Ester oil over at BITOG:
Nissan Ester OIL 5W-30 - Bob Is The Oil Guy
VOA - Nissan Ester 5W-30 - Bob Is The Oil Guy
Nissan Ester 5W30-'08 Infiniti G37, 1.5k mi - Bob Is The Oil Guy
Nissan Ester Oil 5W-30; 09 Maxima; 14,300 Miles - Bob Is The Oil Guy

Pay particular attention to the last two. This oil doesn't seem to be doing all that great of a job as far as engine protection goes. In short, I would not recommend this oil if your goal is engine longevity. It MAY do what they designed it to do...increase fuel mileage and lower emissions though.

And one other issue - the oil filter. The Nissan dealer is installing a Nissan oil filter, which looks pretty crappy to me (there are other threads here that discuss this). If the OP is going to have the dealer change his oil, he should purchase a high quality filter (Purolator, Wix, NAPA, K&N, etc.) and tell the dealer to install it instead of the Nissan oil filter.

Matt · 07-19-2010, 03:25 PM

Every time you mention you're getting your tires rotated along with your oil changes, a kitten, somewhere, is dying.

WarmAndSCSI · 07-19-2010, 03:58 PM

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Originally Posted by 370Zsteve

"His words to me were there is nothing in the Nissan oil that is any different from Mobil 1."

Your crack(head) oil expert said there is no difference between a synthetic oil and a dino oil?

From all of my research, it's yet to be proven that Nissan's retail-packaged Ester oil is not a synthetic oil. The filed patents all say that the additive package is designed for either synthetic or conventional. People are going off a few statements that only hint at the Nissan oil not being synthetic-based.

Until somebody actually analyzes a bottle of the stuff, it's all assumptions.

Jeffblue · 07-19-2010, 05:07 PM

i thought the stock bridgestones were directional, but there is no rotation arrow. They are indeed assymetric, but from what i can see, they aren't directional.

autopc25 · 07-23-2010, 04:37 PM

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Originally Posted by WarmAndSCSI

From all of my research, it's yet to be proven that Nissan's retail-packaged Ester oil is not a synthetic oil. The filed patents all say that the additive package is designed for either synthetic or conventional. People are going off a few statements that only hint at the Nissan oil not being synthetic-based.

Until somebody actually analyzes a bottle of the stuff, it's all assumptions.

Mobil analyzed Nissan Ester Oil. Mobil 1 is part or full synthetic.

Ester Oil and Nissan Engines

06-17-2010, 11:25 AM	#21 (permalink)
'10Anamoly Track Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: GA Posts: 882 Drives: 2010 370Z BS M6 Rep Power: 16	Like I mentioned though, with the Maintenance program its covered for all oil changes to 75k. I might switch off afterwards, but I'm definately not minding that it's not costing me extra. Regarding the maintenance program price, its up to 25 oil changes I believe (max) by 75k miles, or an oil change every 3k. With tire rotation and the oil change 25 times over 75000 miles, at $1042 total, I'm paying $41.68 each time to get the tires rotated and the Ester oil changed. Even if it only has a minor valvetrain noise benefit, its costing me less than a normal oil change and tire rotation costs together so who cares. Of course you have to add interest normally but I am paying off that portion of the principal this month and then some so it wont matter. I'll be using the Ester oil, you decide for your car. __________________ 2013 Ford Mustang GT 374rwhp, 360rwtq SAE / GT500 Axle-Backs / Brembo Pack / Track Pack / Recaros / 6spd

07-19-2010, 11:31 AM	#24 (permalink)
370Zsteve A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Gold Coast CT Posts: 10,599 Drives: 2019 Corvette G.S. Rep Power: 43	"His words to me were there is nothing in the Nissan oil that is any different from Mobil 1." Your crack(head) oil expert said there is no difference between a synthetic oil and a dino oil? __________________ SOLD MY Z MARCH 2018 - another Core OG moves on - new ride 2019 Z Corvette Grand Sport - no mods necessary but already have eyes on HFC and intakes LOL IT NEVER ENDS.

07-19-2010, 01:09 PM	#25 (permalink)
NYBladeZ A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: New York Posts: 2,158 Drives: Lotus Exige S Rep Power: 20	I use Motul Power Racing 300v, I love it thus far. Even on a cold start the car settles in very fast, its ester based, and for at least the first run with Motul I got a great deal off a forum member. I think I'm going to keep using it, might as well go with the best. __________________ 2009 Carbon Fiber/Red 370z aka Trish: Sports Package, Meisterschaft full catback, Fast Intentions Longtube Headers, Injen Long Tube Intakes, UpRev Tune: Sold 2008 Lotus Exige S Club Racer aka Bella, always leaves me smiling

07-19-2010, 03:25 PM	#27 (permalink)
Matt A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Augusta, GA Age: 41 Posts: 1,680 Drives: 2010 Avalanche LT Rep Power: 19	Every time you mention you're getting your tires rotated along with your oil changes, a kitten, somewhere, is dying. __________________ "Any man who can drive a 370z while kissing a pretty girl is simply not giving the Z the attention it deserves." Albert Einstein....modified.

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Greg C Base Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Virginia Posts: 17 Drives: 09 Nissan 370Z Red M Rep Power: 15	Ok after my first oil change I was a bit shocked at the price and then the dealer told me about the special oil they have to use in the 370. I use to have a 350 and that was never the case, so I bought a quart of this new and improved oil and had it analized by a friend who researhes oils and greases for the industry. His words to me were there is nothing in the Nissan oil that is any different from Mobil 1. Do I still use the NIssan oil yes because I don't want them to tell me I have voided the warranty but I do believe this is just another rip off

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flashburn A True Z Fanatic Join Date: May 2009 Location: Central Florida Posts: 1,884 Drives: '12 Corvette GS 6M Rep Power: 19	They can't void your warranty because you don't use their Ester oil. So don't worry about that. In the user manual it even states that their Ester oil is only "recommended" and not required.

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Jeffblue A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: NY Age: 36 Posts: 9,192 Drives: Z32TT & 335xi Coupe Rep Power: 37	i thought the stock bridgestones were directional, but there is no rotation arrow. They are indeed assymetric, but from what i can see, they aren't directional.