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zero 12-21-2010 05:11 PM

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Originally Posted by 6spd (Post 860940)
this pretty much sums up the experience of driving this car. this is constant for me and ive always chocked it up to DBW, because just about every DBW car i drive does the same thing, my moms TSX, my fiancees civic si, any of the newer cars i test drive at work... pretty much all of them. it makes it feel like a jerky take off. as far as the trouble as oil temps rise and loosing response, sure it happens to me, but not anything like some of these guys are describing.

so far we have decently conclusive evidence the following dont fix the problem being described:
1. oil coolers
2. reflashes/tunes
3. different engine oils
4. dealers
5. dealers
6. oh yeah... dealers

some have suggested the sprint booster thingy and swear by it... idk.


No problem here after technosquare.

christian370z 12-21-2010 05:13 PM

Maybe there is an issue with the VVEL servos not responding properly? Since VVEL does much of the throttle work at lower RPMs, shouldn't the VVEL assembly be the primary suspect?

zero 12-21-2010 05:33 PM

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Originally Posted by christian370z (Post 861020)
Maybe there is an issue with the VVEL servos not responding properly? Since VVEL does much of the throttle work at lower RPMs, shouldn't the VVEL assembly be the primary suspect?

Good point or ECU is too slow to process throttle position, fuel mapping, etc. before mechanically activating the VVEL.

SE 12-21-2010 06:59 PM

Has anyone encountered this issue with VDC disabled? Even with it off, I think the car may still be in sort of a hand-holding mode....

IcedZ 12-21-2010 07:28 PM

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Originally Posted by VICTORxSE (Post 861197)
Has anyone encountered this issue with VDC disabled? Even with it off, I think the car may still be in sort of a hand-holding mode....

Yep.. some of us (me) even pulled fuses. I also disconnected the Bosch yaw sensor one time.

IcedZ 12-21-2010 07:31 PM

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Originally Posted by zero (Post 861043)
Good point or ECU is too slow to process throttle position, fuel mapping, etc. before mechanically activating the VVEL.

Incredibly unlikely. Even if the processor is running at 20MHz (this is on the slow side, I'm sure its clock is more like 100MHz?), That's 50ns per clock cycle. And let's assume for fun that it only triggers on up or down edges, not both, that's 100ns per instruction. This is absolute worst case scenario. No way.

IcedZ 12-21-2010 07:33 PM

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Originally Posted by zero (Post 861015)
No problem here after technosquare.

Technosquare doesn't tweak VVEL, right? I'm assuming VVEL is still not really "cracked"?

zero 12-21-2010 08:39 PM

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Originally Posted by IcedZ (Post 861220)
Technosquare doesn't tweak VVEL, right? I'm assuming VVEL is still not really "cracked"?

I don't know if they cracked VVEL but I am very happy with their ECU.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eeESrf4kDGE

6spd 12-21-2010 10:39 PM

try the techno reflash Iced?!

IcedZ 12-22-2010 01:36 AM

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Originally Posted by 6spd (Post 861406)
try the techno reflash Iced?!

I haven't, but I would love to! Definitely don't have the $ for that =(

Jamaica 12-22-2010 03:20 AM

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Originally Posted by IcedZ (Post 861220)
Technosquare doesn't tweak VVEL, right? I'm assuming VVEL is still not really "cracked"?

it has been cracked. the VVEL. Its in the works in the testing phase

DIGItonium 12-22-2010 10:26 AM

There has to be some reason why the car starts losing throttle response after driving it for awhile. If it's a lag in the actuator system, then it would lag from the start. As for DBW, I never had issues with the VQ35DE power delivery. It was fun giving people whiplash when I tap the throttle, but that eagerness isn't there in the 370Z. It was eager to rev and felt like it had a light flywheel when I test drove it. :dunno:

For owners staying N/A, I'd like to see what the results of ECU tweaks would bring especially after driving for long periods. I'm planning to force feed this motor next year, so hopefully the ECU tweak will also improve low end response.

zero 12-22-2010 05:06 PM

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Originally Posted by DIGItonium (Post 861939)
There has to be some reason why the car starts losing throttle response after driving it for awhile. If it's a lag in the actuator system, then it would lag from the start. As for DBW, I never had issues with the VQ35DE power delivery. It was fun giving people whiplash when I tap the throttle, but that eagerness isn't there in the 370Z. It was eager to rev and felt like it had a light flywheel when I test drove it. :dunno:

For owners staying N/A, I'd like to see what the results of ECU tweaks would bring especially after driving for long periods. I'm planning to force feed this motor next year, so hopefully the ECU tweak will also improve low end response.

After I got the exhaust installed, I definitely felt the low end responsiveness was not as quick as stock. After technosquare ECU re-flash, the low end responsiveness is back and the car is pulling harder. Also I have not experienced any lost of responsiveness for an extended period of driving. Also before oil cooler installed, my Z temperature was at 240 during a normal driving and it went up around 260+ for a spirited driving. Again, I didn’t see any change in responsiveness.

The yellow Z in the Technosquare video is KillerBee370's. His Z was a mule for the 09 370Z ECU tuning. He had the first hand experience during the development. He did experience gas pedal delay and went back to technosquare for a minor adjustment. Tadashi of Technosquare did his magic. I’ve heard that technosquare will not offer ECU re-flash on the 2010+.

There are many people on here with UpRev. Maybe they want to chime in if they have experienced with gas pedal delay.

christian370z 12-22-2010 07:16 PM

The one reason that I heard is that once the car is modified in a way which affects sensors (MAF, o2), these parameters the sensors are reading is off from the stock inputs which causes the ECU to interpret and then adjust which may take slightly longer for the ECU to respond to input such as the throttle. I felt the throttle response was a bit faster and more punchy after my tune but I never had anything near what some of you guys are getting in terms of lag and diminishing power.

Granted, there is a problem with stock Zs as well so this isn't a meaningful explanation.

DIGItonium 12-24-2010 11:16 AM

IIRC, IcedZ is bone stock. Mine only has the pulleys and exhaust, but I already noticed the response issues prior to installing the mods. The pulleys improved it, but it did not resolve the low end power loss.

What I wonder is the difference in throttle response with the VQ35DE and the VQ37. The DE definitely has a stronger punch and a bit more aggressive tip in.

For those wondering about dyno charts, how can one graph the power band under 3k RPM? How can we get a visual of the power being cut or held back? It would be nice to get a visual on the 2.5k RPM stall or the clunky feeling (tech describes as fuel cut) as the tach revs to redline with 50-80% throttle in 3rd or 4th.


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