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flashburn 05-04-2010 12:17 PM

Replacing the Pulley not a good idea?
 
So I asked for a install quote on the NST Pulley kit from a local installer and this was his response:

Quote:

I would shy away from the pulley change. Part of the mass and dampened ring on the factory crank pulley is to quiet the "noise" in the engine from a harmonics standpoint. The chains and oil pump are all on the front of that engine and if the factory could have saved money using a solid pulley over the 3 part one they did without sacrificing longevity they would have.
I was definitely set on getting it, but now I'm starting to reconsider. What do you guys think?

efuseakay 05-04-2010 12:27 PM

Hogwash. What "shop" was this? lol

flashburn 05-04-2010 12:29 PM

I'd rather not say. Can you elaborate a bit more? They might just be unfamiliar with this engine.

Chriz 05-04-2010 12:46 PM

You will be fine, NST makes some of the best pulleys out there, I wouldnt worry about such a thing

flashburn 05-04-2010 01:58 PM

Well they shyed away from their initial stance and just said it isn't something they personally use, but they would install it. They also haven't done any work on a 370Z yet, but they did do a TT 350Z recently. I figured it wasn't really a problem, but just thought I'd see what people here thought.

jnaut 05-04-2010 02:22 PM

i ain't got time for all this jibber-jabber

CBRich 05-04-2010 02:47 PM

Sounds like they just don't want to do the install. Find another shop.

flashburn 05-04-2010 02:51 PM

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Originally Posted by CBRich (Post 524589)
Sounds like they just don't want to do the install. Find another shop.

They are the only shop relatively close to me that actually has a good reputation (East Orlando area). I'm going to go in and talk to their owner/technician in a week or so.

theDreamer 05-04-2010 03:03 PM

I went to NST personally this past weekend and talked to Mike for a bit, the design of the pulley is to replace the stock pulley and improve the system. Maybe the shop is thinking of something different and misunderstood what you wanted to do exactly?

flashburn 05-04-2010 03:39 PM

I dunno, I gave them a direct link to the NST thread for the pulley kit. I'll go down and talk to the owner next week, but I'm sure things will be fine.

murph18 05-04-2010 04:29 PM

i have them on my car - took the car to the strip this weekend no problems

flashburn 05-04-2010 06:59 PM

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Originally Posted by murph18 (Post 524704)
i have them on my car - took the car to the strip this weekend no problems

Yeah, personally I really wasn't too worried about it. There is at least a few dozen people on this forum using their pulley, and probably hundreds more on the 350Z, but I figured I'd ask anyway with what they said and see if it was true or not.

jnaut 05-05-2010 07:42 AM

If your in wpb, bring it by the shop and ill install it.

flashburn 05-05-2010 08:07 AM

That's a bit of a drive for me, I'm in Orlando. Thanks though. Wish there were more reputable shops around here.

DIGItonium 05-05-2010 09:03 AM

Do you plan to order a new drive belt with the NST pulleys? It was recommended to get a slightly smaller belt. Search the thread for the Gates belt part number. I ordered from O'Reilly's.

flashburn 05-05-2010 09:05 AM

Yep, I am going to pick up the Gates belt mentioned in that thread. Makes sense to replace it at the same time. Especially if it is slightly smaller than OEM.

fstrnldr 05-05-2010 10:13 AM

I won't pretend to have researched of the NST pulley before, but generally aftermarket "under drive" pulleys have a very bad reputation. Harmonics in an engine are a very real issue, and there are countless articles on the subject from very recent to decades past. I would do a quick google search at least, and get some of the opinions of people that build actual race engines for a living.

Having seen an oil pump shatter taking out the entire engine and turbo system as a result of an un-dampened pulley, i'll vote to keep it stock, or upgrade it to something like a fluid damper when it is needed.

Prosport Gauges 05-05-2010 10:44 AM

You should contact S&R Performance in tampa. Tell them Ryan from prosport gauges, inc sent you and bobby will give you a good deal :)

They do great work and even built our 500whp suby. They do ALOT of Z's

Ryan

flashburn 05-05-2010 11:34 AM

I'd love to take it to S&R for my work, but at 2 1/2 hours each way, it just doesn't make sense. I'd like to have a local "go to" shop for all my performance work. I'll probably be taking it to Real Street Performance in Longwood, which I've read mostly positive comments about.

Kastley85891 05-05-2010 11:49 AM

I think there was another thread on here ref the harmonic balancing off the VQ motor, the pulley has no effect on our motors in this area.
A decent pulley will be a good upgrade. NST make a good one, I am doing one shortly.

NonStopTuning 05-05-2010 12:24 PM

The comprehensive NST pulley thread has numerous pages filled with countless first hand reviews from Z owners who have actually used NST pulleys in the real world... http://www.the370z.com/engine-drivet...no-charts.html

None of these owners have ever experienced any electrical issues, weak accessory output, pump failure, or engine failure when using our product. The reasons for why NST pulleys perform as well as they do, can be found in the same thread.

In addition, there are many threads on other forums where Nissan, Honda, Toyota, Scion, VW, BMW, etc. owners have posted their first hand, real world, reviews and experiences with NST pulleys. 99.999999% positive.

Not all pulleys are created the same, and no other pulley is an NST pulley.

:tup::tup:

flashburn 05-05-2010 12:31 PM

Also doing a search through old threads I found mentions that our engine is internally balanced and does not have a harmonic dampener on the pulley.

edit: Basically what Kastley said above! :tup:

Ztoon 05-05-2010 12:34 PM

Stillen throws in the gates belt when you order their UD pulley, n.c..

fstrnldr 05-06-2010 10:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by flashburn (Post 525850)
Also doing a search through old threads I found mentions that our engine is internally balanced and does not have a harmonic dampener on the pulley.

edit: Basically what Kastley said above! :tup:


and i would say again balancing an engine is not the same function and harmonic dampening.

Google "torsional vibration" Read what the damper is actually doing, and then explain to me how "internally balancing" and engine will have any effect on that.

shabarivas 05-06-2010 10:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jnaut (Post 524571)
i ain't got time for all this jibber-jabber

But you have time to post that useless statement? Way to add value to the thread...

Anyhow - I have never heard of such stuff from anyone - curious to see if what the shop is saying is correct?


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