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Originally Posted by 6SPD_FTW Never heard that before. The UOA's all measure the percentage of insoluble material (which is a measure of oil filtration). Otherwise, UOA's are the best way

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Old 05-28-2010, 01:23 AM   #76 (permalink)
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Never heard that before. The UOA's all measure the percentage of insoluble material (which is a measure of oil filtration). Otherwise, UOA's are the best way to determine how YOUR ENGINE is getting along with the oil you put in it.

My previous car was a 2007 Altima 3.5SE VQ35DE. I abused the crap out of that car and had it for 40,000 miles before trading. I have documented UOA's for nearly every oil change I performed on that car using Castrol Syntec 0W-30 (aka, German Castrol, aka, G.C.).

That is the ONLY oil I've used since the UOA's for the Altima were as perfect as you could ask for. Now the UOA's on the Z (of which there are only 2 so far) are still trending down on the wear metals, but look absolutely perfect considering miles and driving conditions.

The 0W-30 flows like a 0W oil at 32ºF. And basically, that's the only time you really care about the 0W. The only reason I use 0W is because the 0W-30 is a German engineered and produced oil. All other viscosities of Castrol Syntec are designed differently and aren't any better than Mobil1. The G.C. actually holds its viscosity better than nearly any other 30W oil at high temps, so that's all I have ever used and all I ever will use. Plus, it's not terribly expensive ($6.50/qt) and is accessible (available at all Autozones).

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Unless you use a very specialised place i'm pretty sure they're using a type of spectrum analysis on the oil... and from what i understand that only gets you the dissolved stuff in the oil. They do they don't centrifuge the oil and seperate all the stuff out. BITOG has more on this.

In saying that it's probably the best method of testing, but just know it's also limited...

GC is probably one of the best but i know my dealership will void my warranty for using something different to 5w30... they are so lame... i hate them...
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The thread question is which oil do I prefer? I prefer what the people who build the car prefer. They recommend Ester.
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The thread question is which oil do I prefer? I prefer what the people who build the car prefer. They recommend Ester.
There are a fair few people with the same thoughts as you...

the thing is most of the people on forums like theses are hardly the type to listen to Nissan.

Secondly i'd like to point out a technicallity, the question was which SYNTHETIC is prefered, the nissan ester oil is a blend.
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Hmmm, I sense being drawn into the oil definition vortex. Didn't really want to go there.
Dino, synthetic, blend, conventional, are all marketing derived terms, not scientific.

"Synthetic" is a marketing term and that it is the responsibility of the Marketer (the one who labels and markets the oil) to define what it is.
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The thread question is which oil do I prefer? I prefer what the people who build the car prefer. They recommend Ester.
Please realize that Ester is a generic term, there are literally thousands of different ester formulas. The ester formula Nissan uses is patented and AFAIK no body else is using it, and nor would it make sense to at this point.
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Unless you use a very specialised place i'm pretty sure they're using a type of spectrum analysis on the oil... and from what i understand that only gets you the dissolved stuff in the oil. They do they don't centrifuge the oil and seperate all the stuff out. BITOG has more on this.

In saying that it's probably the best method of testing, but just know it's also limited...

GC is probably one of the best but i know my dealership will void my warranty for using something different to 5w30... they are so lame... i hate them...
I understand what you're saying. Insolubles normally should be below 0.6%. On the Altima and the Z, I never had anything higher than like 0.3%. If it's high, then you have more trouble than just what's IN the oil. Means you got some issues with oil or air filtration. I guess...just throwing that out there.

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I understand what you're saying. Insolubles normally should be below 0.6%. On the Altima and the Z, I never had anything higher than like 0.3%. If it's high, then you have more trouble than just what's IN the oil. Means you got some issues with oil or air filtration. I guess...just throwing that out there.
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In saying that it's probably the best method of testing, but just know it's also limited...
When I was in the navy I had the opportunity to work in the lab where oil analysis was done and performed the actual analysis. At that time it was called SOAP - Spectrographic Oil Analysis Program. Similar elements were measured as in the UOA. It wasn't measured by percentage but rather in ppm. Samples of the oil were filtered and mixed with a solution in test tubes (can't remember exactly as it was twenty years back) and analyzed in the spectrographic apparatus. This was done routinely on a monthly basis for the engines, gearboxes, pumps, etc. Everyone should be aware that molecules in the components such as lead in journal bearings leech out into the oil from the constant contact between the two. So there was always a reading. From trending and comparison of results from sister ships with identical propulsion systems conclusions were drawn as to whether there was actual wear or just 'leeching'. Wear was normally identified by a spike in the ppm. VA (vibration analysis) was recommended to ship's staff to perform on the suspect bearing. Anyway, for you guys that get UOA's, pay close attention to the results. You don't have the luxury of doing VA and you don't want to be tearing down your engine looking for the bearing that may have resulted in a spike in the UOA report that may have some wear but not worn anywhere near the point of catastrophic failure. I will say this - changing the oil will not repair a worn part! However, after changing the oil and reviewing the UOA results, it may confirm a wear condition if there is another spike or if there isn't a recurring spike, then the original analysis may have been an anomaly - nothing is 100% perfect.
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If that were the case, then there wouldn't be 5 classifications of oils (group numbers).
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