another cooler explosion

TARDCORE · 04-08-2010, 02:56 AM

LOL Man I havent been on this site for while but I logged on just to see if FI began production on their header since I am on the group buy, BUT DAMN! WOW I really hope all of *** hats on here are starting see that I didn't modify the hoses since happened to THREE, 3, tres people now!?!?! ME, the OP of this thread, AND Tipz. Well for one, I am happy Ill be getting my FI LTH soon, and for two I am shocked, no wait I am not shocked.

So background story of these pictures I am about to post. Well as a lot of people know I was the 2nd person (1st with GTM kit) to have the lines basically explode. I think Travisjb was the first? Anyway I was accused by quite a few people on this that I modded my lines. I didn't and was called a liar. SO I sold my kit to another member on this site who had the same issue that I did. He posted a thread saying the same thing I did then people attacked him for installation and me for not answering up but by that time I was pretty much done for even logging onto this site or checking it for that matter until FI began production of their LTH. SO I was accused of shortening the line I sold that member, which I did not, and he sent me some pictures showing I did not. Here they are:

So I just wanted to thank everyone for all the BS. After all, what can be expected from a forum!

OH and LOL at Nissan's cheap factory paint. I swear with all the small rock chips I am gonna have to get it re-painted before I get rid of it, ah how the Z is jst a money pit even after I decided not to put any more money into it. I should have gotten a mail order bride instead.

1slow370 · 04-08-2010, 03:45 AM

I'm still a little worried about the engine. after looking through the FSM i found out that all of our oil flows through the filter/cooler BEFORE lubricating the engine, which is what i thought but i wasn't sure. So if you blow a fitting on the oil cooler NO oil pressure will be in the engine. The only thing that may have saved it was it being cold enough that the cooler was still in bypass and the slight resistance of the -8 an fitting may have made some of the oil go through the bypass in the plate and reach the engine.

I talked with Sam for a minute before going to work and GTM is willing to rectify the situation just have to sit down and hash it all out. I will be keeping the kit but I am going to look into getting some hard-line and fittings for most of it and seeing if i can get some nice 3000psi high temp hydraulic line for a flexible section before going into the sandwich plate with crimped ends so i never have to worry about this crap ever again.

TipsZ · 04-08-2010, 09:01 AM

So you are going to go with a local shop to make the lines for you, or is Sam going to get some new lines?

Quote:

Originally Posted by 1slow370

I talked with Sam for a minute before going to work and GTM is willing to rectify the situation just have to sit down and hash it all out. I will be keeping the kit but I am going to look into getting some hard-line and fittings for most of it and seeing if i can get some nice 3000psi high temp hydraulic line for a flexible section before going into the sandwich plate with crimped ends so i never have to worry about this crap ever again.

NYBladeZ · 04-08-2010, 09:19 AM

It seems that GTM needs a new manufacturer for their cooler lines, I'll be getting one as soon as my tax return check comes in, if they don't revamp their cooler lines by then I'll be forced to pay more and go with Stillen.

Vegitto-kun · 04-08-2010, 09:21 AM

Yeah unless they resolve these problems with the hoses il have to look for stillen or a other company

1slow370 · 04-09-2010, 04:14 AM

yeah i love the thermostatic plate and the setrab core but the lines are crap.

As for my new lines, going to be getting an industrial diesel mechanic friend of mine to assemble my new extremely super "this crap is never happening again" overkill to the max lines made form Gates G2XH 2 wire stainless braided high pressure high temperature hydraulic line rated for temps over 300 degrees and pressures over 4000psi, people are usually maimed or killed when one of these babies goes, assembled with Gates Megacrimp fittings. If you plan on replacing your cooler lines with the same you will need to have a hydraulics shop equipped with at least an 8-ton hydraulic crimper assemble these badass MF'rs

part number for the hose 8g2xh part number for the fittings 8g-8fjx90s I wish an oil cooler kit came with these guys in the first place

TipsZ · 04-09-2010, 09:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 1slow370

yeah i love the thermostatic plate and the setrab core but the lines are crap.

As for my new lines, going to be getting an industrial diesel mechanic friend of mine to assemble my new extremely super "this crap is never happening again" overkill to the max lines made form Gates G2XH 2 wire stainless braided high pressure high temperature hydraulic line rated for temps over 300 degrees and pressures over 4000psi, people are usually maimed or killed when one of these babies goes, assembled with Gates Megacrimp fittings. If you plan on replacing your cooler lines with the same you will need to have a hydraulics shop equipped with at least an 8-ton hydraulic crimper assemble these badass MF'rs

part number for the hose 8g2xh part number for the fittings 8g-8fjx90s I wish an oil cooler kit came with these guys in the first place

I agree. Thanks for the info. I've been waiting since the 31st of March on the "new lines" from GTM and apparently they still have not even made the new ones. It is my assumption that they are doing their "due diligence" and actually looking for a new manufacture for the lines - but again that is just my assumption as to why it would take so long to get new lines in the mail.

Thus, time to find a Hydraulic shop here in Tampa.

JB-370z · 04-09-2010, 10:53 AM

The day I was going to buy an oil cooler was the day I saw another post with exploed lines. I am going to take a chill pill and let people rack up 20k in miles on a new set before I buy. I dont feel the need for it until I go turbo so not a big prob for me.

vipor · 04-09-2010, 10:58 AM

Cmon guys, just build your own kit like Modshack and myself did. Neither had problems. I opted for the Setrab core and facing the fittings up while he saved a few extra bucks.

Pre-mfg braided hoses that rub and cut through everything and seem to like to break, or badass Aeroquip Socketless hose that works great?

I think I have heard of one person having problems with an Aeroquip hose but it seemed isolated and might have just been a slack issue.

Yes, maybe this brand of hoses is having issues, but it's not GTM's doing (so long as everything is handled accordingly). Don't let something like this make you sway away from a cooler alltogether.

m4a1mustang · 04-09-2010, 11:04 AM

I am going to build a DIY kit but will probably get lines made at a hydraulic shop just to be safe... granted I am confident I could assemble the hoses correctly.

Modshack · 04-09-2010, 11:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by vipor

Cmon guys, just build your own kit like Modshack and myself did. Neither had problems.

.... Careful assembly is the Key. Unfortunately it seems that even buying a commercial kit and having it "professionally" installed does not guarantee this. Car and Driver reported this month that they had problems with the expensive, dealer installed Nissan Motorsports cooler and had to replace some hose ends. If you want to control the quality, choose the parts you want/need, and save $$ to boot, then roll your own. Check the DIY.

TipsZ · 04-09-2010, 02:51 PM

Sam from GTM just replied. They are taking their time with the hoses before he mails them back to me. I will just have to wait another week to get my lines.

SAM@GTM · 04-10-2010, 05:18 AM

Just to give you guys a quick update

All our lines are order pre-made and from a Russell performance distributor, these lines are supposed to be tested up to 300 psi before us getting them. We had done our own testing in the shop here and pressurized the hoses up to 175 psi for over 6 hours and we could not duplicate the failure. After taking some of the hoses apart we have discover that we might be getting some miss-matched parts between the socket and the nipple. which could be the cause of failure.

Also we have sent a couple of samples hoses to third party for further inspection, this company specialized in testing and certifying hydraulic hoses for the aerospace industry.

Mean while, we will not be shipping any oil cooler hoses from our current supplier. Not only that, we have completely switch supplier and all our hoses and fitting will be supplied by setrab themselves, so the whole oil cooler kit and it components comes from one supplier.

For our customer that are waiting on oil lines, we should be seeing those line sometime next week. Now for the customers that had already installed our kit and have no problem at this point but like to switch the oil lines for their peace of mind, we will be more then happy to do so at no cost to you .

We truly apologize for any inconvenience we may caused .

Sam

fullmonty · 04-10-2010, 12:25 PM

Nice to see a company stepping up to the plate and fixing the issue!

LiquidZ · 04-10-2010, 12:29 PM

Thanks Sam! We appreciate it.

04-08-2010, 02:56 AM	#46 (permalink)
TARDCORE Enthusiast Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: San Diego Posts: 410 Drives: 2010 Solid Red 370Z Rep Power: 16	LOL Man I havent been on this site for while but I logged on just to see if FI began production on their header since I am on the group buy, BUT DAMN! WOW I really hope all of *** hats on here are starting see that I didn't modify the hoses since happened to THREE, 3, tres people now!?!?! ME, the OP of this thread, AND Tipz. Well for one, I am happy Ill be getting my FI LTH soon, and for two I am shocked, no wait I am not shocked. So background story of these pictures I am about to post. Well as a lot of people know I was the 2nd person (1st with GTM kit) to have the lines basically explode. I think Travisjb was the first? Anyway I was accused by quite a few people on this that I modded my lines. I didn't and was called a liar. SO I sold my kit to another member on this site who had the same issue that I did. He posted a thread saying the same thing I did then people attacked him for installation and me for not answering up but by that time I was pretty much done for even logging onto this site or checking it for that matter until FI began production of their LTH. SO I was accused of shortening the line I sold that member, which I did not, and he sent me some pictures showing I did not. Here they are: So I just wanted to thank everyone for all the BS. After all, what can be expected from a forum! OH and LOL at Nissan's cheap factory paint. I swear with all the small rock chips I am gonna have to get it re-painted before I get rid of it, ah how the Z is jst a money pit even after I decided not to put any more money into it. I should have gotten a mail order bride instead. __________________ XBL:EVENTYDE Last edited by TARDCORE; 04-08-2010 at 02:58 AM.

04-08-2010, 03:45 AM	#47 (permalink)
1slow370 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: In the D Posts: 3,732 Drives: v8 74 260z ;) Rep Power: 7251	I'm still a little worried about the engine. after looking through the FSM i found out that all of our oil flows through the filter/cooler BEFORE lubricating the engine, which is what i thought but i wasn't sure. So if you blow a fitting on the oil cooler NO oil pressure will be in the engine. The only thing that may have saved it was it being cold enough that the cooler was still in bypass and the slight resistance of the -8 an fitting may have made some of the oil go through the bypass in the plate and reach the engine. I talked with Sam for a minute before going to work and GTM is willing to rectify the situation just have to sit down and hash it all out. I will be keeping the kit but I am going to look into getting some hard-line and fittings for most of it and seeing if i can get some nice 3000psi high temp hydraulic line for a flexible section before going into the sandwich plate with crimped ends so i never have to worry about this crap ever again. __________________ ANSWER PRICE LIST Answers - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - $0.75 Answers (requiring thought) - - - - $1.25 Answers (correct) - - - - - - - - - - $12.50

04-08-2010, 09:19 AM	#49 (permalink)
NYBladeZ A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: New York Posts: 2,158 Drives: Lotus Exige S Rep Power: 20	It seems that GTM needs a new manufacturer for their cooler lines, I'll be getting one as soon as my tax return check comes in, if they don't revamp their cooler lines by then I'll be forced to pay more and go with Stillen. __________________ 2009 Carbon Fiber/Red 370z aka Trish: Sports Package, Meisterschaft full catback, Fast Intentions Longtube Headers, Injen Long Tube Intakes, UpRev Tune: Sold 2008 Lotus Exige S Club Racer aka Bella, always leaves me smiling

04-09-2010, 04:14 AM	#51 (permalink)
1slow370 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: In the D Posts: 3,732 Drives: v8 74 260z ;) Rep Power: 7251	yeah i love the thermostatic plate and the setrab core but the lines are crap. As for my new lines, going to be getting an industrial diesel mechanic friend of mine to assemble my new extremely super "this crap is never happening again" overkill to the max lines made form Gates G2XH 2 wire stainless braided high pressure high temperature hydraulic line rated for temps over 300 degrees and pressures over 4000psi, people are usually maimed or killed when one of these babies goes, assembled with Gates Megacrimp fittings. If you plan on replacing your cooler lines with the same you will need to have a hydraulics shop equipped with at least an 8-ton hydraulic crimper assemble these badass MF'rs part number for the hose 8g2xh part number for the fittings 8g-8fjx90s I wish an oil cooler kit came with these guys in the first place __________________ ANSWER PRICE LIST Answers - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - $0.75 Answers (requiring thought) - - - - $1.25 Answers (correct) - - - - - - - - - - $12.50 Last edited by 1slow370; 04-09-2010 at 05:19 AM.

04-09-2010, 10:53 AM	#53 (permalink)
JB-370z A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Houston, Tx Posts: 1,859 Drives: Stage 2 Twin Turbos Rep Power: 19	The day I was going to buy an oil cooler was the day I saw another post with exploed lines. I am going to take a chill pill and let people rack up 20k in miles on a new set before I buy. I dont feel the need for it until I go turbo so not a big prob for me. __________________ ll Baker Tuning ll GTM ll Powerhouse Amuse ll HKS ll Up-Rev ll iForged ll AP Racing ll Pioneer ll SPL ll Bride ll Top Secret ll OS Giken ll GTM Stage 2 Twin Turboed 370z (First in Texas, Thanks To Baker Tuning)

04-08-2010, 09:21 AM	#50 (permalink)
Vegitto-kun A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: USA Posts: 2,011 Drives: 09 370Z Rep Power: 262	Yeah unless they resolve these problems with the hoses il have to look for stillen or a other company

04-09-2010, 10:58 AM	#54 (permalink)
vipor A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Euless, TX [ DFW ] Age: 42 Posts: 13,531 Drives: Nismo 09-0183 QAB Rep Power: 49	Cmon guys, just build your own kit like Modshack and myself did. Neither had problems. I opted for the Setrab core and facing the fittings up while he saved a few extra bucks. Pre-mfg braided hoses that rub and cut through everything and seem to like to break, or badass Aeroquip Socketless hose that works great? I think I have heard of one person having problems with an Aeroquip hose but it seemed isolated and might have just been a slack issue. Yes, maybe this brand of hoses is having issues, but it's not GTM's doing (so long as everything is handled accordingly). Don't let something like this make you sway away from a cooler alltogether. __________________ 2009 NISMO # 0193 \| QAB \| Albums! \| 05.04.10 (Dynojet) 291.94hp/248.28tq Oil Cooler (DIY) \| Custom Headlights \| GTSPEC Braces \| F.I. Long Tube Headers Last edited by vipor; 04-09-2010 at 11:02 AM.

04-09-2010, 11:04 AM	#55 (permalink)
m4a1mustang A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Northern VA Posts: 55,385 Drives: on two wheels Rep Power: 6962	I am going to build a DIY kit but will probably get lines made at a hydraulic shop just to be safe... granted I am confident I could assemble the hoses correctly. __________________ - Steve Zs & Coffee - Saturdays at 10AM in Fairfax, VA and Columbia, MD (Click the banner!) LIKE us on Facebook!

04-09-2010, 02:51 PM	#57 (permalink)
TipsZ Track Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Lithia, FL Age: 51 Posts: 552 Drives: 09 Nissan 370z CS M6 Rep Power: 186	Sam from GTM just replied. They are taking their time with the hoses before he mails them back to me. I will just have to wait another week to get my lines. __________________ Dynojet 285 HP/245 TQ (pre CBE)// Agency Power CBE // GTM Test Pipes // JWT Pop Chargers // B&M Short Shifter // Eibach Springs // Powder-coated Akebono's // Powder-coated Strut Bar // Black Chromed 19" Rays // // Redline Designs Graphics TipsZ journal

04-10-2010, 05:18 AM	#58 (permalink)
SAM@GTM NOT AN ACTIVE SPONSOR. DO NOT BUY Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: CALIFORNIA Posts: 913 Drives: 370Z Rep Power: 17	Just to give you guys a quick update All our lines are order pre-made and from a Russell performance distributor, these lines are supposed to be tested up to 300 psi before us getting them. We had done our own testing in the shop here and pressurized the hoses up to 175 psi for over 6 hours and we could not duplicate the failure. After taking some of the hoses apart we have discover that we might be getting some miss-matched parts between the socket and the nipple. which could be the cause of failure. Also we have sent a couple of samples hoses to third party for further inspection, this company specialized in testing and certifying hydraulic hoses for the aerospace industry. Mean while, we will not be shipping any oil cooler hoses from our current supplier. Not only that, we have completely switch supplier and all our hoses and fitting will be supplied by setrab themselves, so the whole oil cooler kit and it components comes from one supplier. For our customer that are waiting on oil lines, we should be seeing those line sometime next week. Now for the customers that had already installed our kit and have no problem at this point but like to switch the oil lines for their peace of mind, we will be more then happy to do so at no cost to you . We truly apologize for any inconvenience we may caused . Sam Last edited by SAM@GTM; 04-10-2010 at 06:00 AM.

04-10-2010, 12:25 PM	#59 (permalink)
fullmonty A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Dirty Jersey Posts: 7,762 Drives: 370 Touring/Sport Rep Power: 34	Nice to see a company stepping up to the plate and fixing the issue! __________________

04-10-2010, 12:29 PM	#60 (permalink)
LiquidZ A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Columbus, OH Posts: 1,940 Drives: Mag. Black 2009 370Z Rep Power: 705	Thanks Sam! We appreciate it. __________________

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