Nissan 370Z Forum  

Dirty gritty drained oil when I did the oil change today

Hey!, How 'bout one of those AMWAY Super-duper oil filtration systems?! I've heard they're great--though expensive. Do a search on that, man.

Go Back   Nissan 370Z Forum > Nissan 370Z Tech Area > Engine & Drivetrain


Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 03-21-2010, 01:03 PM   #106 (permalink)
Banned
 
j.arnaldo's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2009
Location: Puerto Rico
Posts: 937
Drives: Nissan 350Z, 2004
Rep Power: 0
j.arnaldo is on a distinguished road
Default

Hey!, How 'bout one of those AMWAY Super-duper oil filtration systems?! I've heard they're great--though expensive. Do a search on that, man.
j.arnaldo is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-21-2010, 03:11 PM   #107 (permalink)
A True Z Fanatic
 
IDZRVIT's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2009
Location: Halifax
Posts: 1,659
Drives: '13 CTS-V, '76 Vette
Rep Power: 27
IDZRVIT has a reputation beyond reputeIDZRVIT has a reputation beyond reputeIDZRVIT has a reputation beyond reputeIDZRVIT has a reputation beyond reputeIDZRVIT has a reputation beyond reputeIDZRVIT has a reputation beyond reputeIDZRVIT has a reputation beyond reputeIDZRVIT has a reputation beyond reputeIDZRVIT has a reputation beyond reputeIDZRVIT has a reputation beyond reputeIDZRVIT has a reputation beyond repute
Default

IMHO, oil filtration is far more important than oil type. Those mag filter covers are only good for collecting the magnetic particles. So where are the other non-magnetic particles going? Hence, if you require better filtration, maybe an investment in a better oil filtration system is in order as j.arnaldo suggests. Someone can correct me but I believe a standard filter will not pass particles less than 30 microns. Particles less than 30 microns that do pass are most likely not a show stopper for your engine. They will either get embedded in the bearing babbitt, eventually settle in the base pan or other places where sludge forms.
__________________
"America.... still builds rockets!"
Vette: 355 cid, 400 rwhp
'13 CTS-V Coupe: 6.2L LSA, 556HP
IDZRVIT is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-21-2010, 05:43 PM   #108 (permalink)
A True Z Fanatic
 
semtex's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2009
Location: Behind enemy lines
Age: 54
Posts: 5,995
Drives: People to drink
Rep Power: 32
semtex has a reputation beyond reputesemtex has a reputation beyond reputesemtex has a reputation beyond reputesemtex has a reputation beyond reputesemtex has a reputation beyond reputesemtex has a reputation beyond reputesemtex has a reputation beyond reputesemtex has a reputation beyond reputesemtex has a reputation beyond reputesemtex has a reputation beyond reputesemtex has a reputation beyond repute
Default

LOL. I just noticed the tag on this thread.

Re. filtration, I've said it before -- I don't think filtration is the issue. The issue is that those particles shouldn't be there to need filtering to begin with!
__________________
"There are no small accidents on this circuit." -- Ayrton Senna
316.8whp & 248 ft/lbs (Dyno Dynamics) | 319whp & 256 ft/lbs (DynoJet) (04/23/10)
Stillen G3 CAI, CBE, Pulley / F.I. LTH / GTSpec Ladder Brace / Setrab Oil Cooler / UpRev-tuned by Forged Perf.
semtex is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-21-2010, 05:48 PM   #109 (permalink)
A True Z Fanatic
 
Modshack's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: Greenville NC
Posts: 2,883
Drives: 370Z Sport
Rep Power: 976
Modshack has a reputation beyond reputeModshack has a reputation beyond reputeModshack has a reputation beyond reputeModshack has a reputation beyond reputeModshack has a reputation beyond reputeModshack has a reputation beyond reputeModshack has a reputation beyond reputeModshack has a reputation beyond reputeModshack has a reputation beyond reputeModshack has a reputation beyond reputeModshack has a reputation beyond repute
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by semtex View Post
LOL. I just noticed the tag on this thread.

Re. filtration, I've said it before -- I don't think filtration is the issue. The issue is that those particles shouldn't be there to need filtering to begin with!
...Filtration is not the problem here..
__________________

Steal my car! (SOLD)...Now Porsche Cayman S
Oil Cooler DIY: Here!
Modshack is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-21-2010, 07:54 PM   #110 (permalink)
A True Z Fanatic
 
IDZRVIT's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2009
Location: Halifax
Posts: 1,659
Drives: '13 CTS-V, '76 Vette
Rep Power: 27
IDZRVIT has a reputation beyond reputeIDZRVIT has a reputation beyond reputeIDZRVIT has a reputation beyond reputeIDZRVIT has a reputation beyond reputeIDZRVIT has a reputation beyond reputeIDZRVIT has a reputation beyond reputeIDZRVIT has a reputation beyond reputeIDZRVIT has a reputation beyond reputeIDZRVIT has a reputation beyond reputeIDZRVIT has a reputation beyond reputeIDZRVIT has a reputation beyond repute
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by semtex View Post
LOL. I just noticed the tag on this thread.

Re. filtration, I've said it before -- I don't think filtration is the issue. The issue is that those particles shouldn't be there to need filtering to begin with!
Obviously, filtration is not the issue. The OP has a wear issue and changing the oil won't fix it.
__________________
"America.... still builds rockets!"
Vette: 355 cid, 400 rwhp
'13 CTS-V Coupe: 6.2L LSA, 556HP
IDZRVIT is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-22-2010, 09:51 AM   #111 (permalink)
Track Member
 
dlmartin81's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2008
Location: Chalfont, PA
Age: 43
Posts: 923
Drives: 09 370Z
Rep Power: 607
dlmartin81 has a reputation beyond reputedlmartin81 has a reputation beyond reputedlmartin81 has a reputation beyond reputedlmartin81 has a reputation beyond reputedlmartin81 has a reputation beyond reputedlmartin81 has a reputation beyond reputedlmartin81 has a reputation beyond reputedlmartin81 has a reputation beyond reputedlmartin81 has a reputation beyond reputedlmartin81 has a reputation beyond reputedlmartin81 has a reputation beyond repute
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by IDZRVIT View Post
Have you considered getting an oil filter debris analysis? Maybe BS does this?
I mistakenly through it away. I did two oil changes in one afternoon (mine and my wife's) and threw everything (except the oil) into a bag and into the trash.
dlmartin81 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-22-2010, 09:55 AM   #112 (permalink)
A True Z Fanatic
 
370Zsteve's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2009
Location: Gold Coast CT
Posts: 10,599
Drives: 2019 Corvette G.S.
Rep Power: 43
370Zsteve has a reputation beyond repute370Zsteve has a reputation beyond repute370Zsteve has a reputation beyond repute370Zsteve has a reputation beyond repute370Zsteve has a reputation beyond repute370Zsteve has a reputation beyond repute370Zsteve has a reputation beyond repute370Zsteve has a reputation beyond repute370Zsteve has a reputation beyond repute370Zsteve has a reputation beyond repute370Zsteve has a reputation beyond repute
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by blackflag View Post
I have to say...I'm not a fan of the longer oil change intervals that everybody is pushing these days. It may be good for the environment, and good for the car companies' marketing...but it's not good for an engine.
Agreed. Also, you do know that oil is recycled these days, right?
__________________
SOLD MY Z MARCH 2018 - another Core OG moves on - new ride 2019 Z Corvette Grand Sport - no mods necessary but already have eyes on HFC and intakes LOL IT NEVER ENDS.
370Zsteve is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-22-2010, 09:58 AM   #113 (permalink)
A True Z Fanatic
 
370Zsteve's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2009
Location: Gold Coast CT
Posts: 10,599
Drives: 2019 Corvette G.S.
Rep Power: 43
370Zsteve has a reputation beyond repute370Zsteve has a reputation beyond repute370Zsteve has a reputation beyond repute370Zsteve has a reputation beyond repute370Zsteve has a reputation beyond repute370Zsteve has a reputation beyond repute370Zsteve has a reputation beyond repute370Zsteve has a reputation beyond repute370Zsteve has a reputation beyond repute370Zsteve has a reputation beyond repute370Zsteve has a reputation beyond repute
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by dlmartin81 View Post
So yesterday (3/6) was my first time swapping out old RL oil. It was also my first time with an oil containing ester. So as I was draining the oil, I noticed some unusual properties. 1) The oil color was milk chocolate like, mixed with some copper. RL does have a golden-amber color out of the quart. So I guess this is normal. Is it?? 2) The oil was kind of gritty. My engine has roughly 9.3K miles on it...still pretty new. Could the grittiness be because it's still in a break-in phase and those are the metal remains. Or perhaps this is normal. I probably never noticed it with other oils because of the color. Typically, all other oils were pitch black when I swapped them. RL color perhaps makes it more noticeable.

Below are some pics to help explain what I saw. Please tell me this is normal.
That looks like oil from a 1970 chevy that hasn't been changed in 5 years, wtf??? Any white smoke coming out of your tailpipe? Blown head gasket? WTF??????!
__________________
SOLD MY Z MARCH 2018 - another Core OG moves on - new ride 2019 Z Corvette Grand Sport - no mods necessary but already have eyes on HFC and intakes LOL IT NEVER ENDS.
370Zsteve is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-22-2010, 10:00 AM   #114 (permalink)
A True Z Fanatic
 
370Zsteve's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2009
Location: Gold Coast CT
Posts: 10,599
Drives: 2019 Corvette G.S.
Rep Power: 43
370Zsteve has a reputation beyond repute370Zsteve has a reputation beyond repute370Zsteve has a reputation beyond repute370Zsteve has a reputation beyond repute370Zsteve has a reputation beyond repute370Zsteve has a reputation beyond repute370Zsteve has a reputation beyond repute370Zsteve has a reputation beyond repute370Zsteve has a reputation beyond repute370Zsteve has a reputation beyond repute370Zsteve has a reputation beyond repute
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by j.arnaldo View Post
Hey!, How 'bout one of those AMWAY Super-duper oil filtration systems?! I've heard they're great--though expensive. Do a search on that, man.
You mean Amsoil? please tell me you meant Amsoil.
__________________
SOLD MY Z MARCH 2018 - another Core OG moves on - new ride 2019 Z Corvette Grand Sport - no mods necessary but already have eyes on HFC and intakes LOL IT NEVER ENDS.
370Zsteve is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-22-2010, 10:02 AM   #115 (permalink)
A True Z Fanatic
 
370Zsteve's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2009
Location: Gold Coast CT
Posts: 10,599
Drives: 2019 Corvette G.S.
Rep Power: 43
370Zsteve has a reputation beyond repute370Zsteve has a reputation beyond repute370Zsteve has a reputation beyond repute370Zsteve has a reputation beyond repute370Zsteve has a reputation beyond repute370Zsteve has a reputation beyond repute370Zsteve has a reputation beyond repute370Zsteve has a reputation beyond repute370Zsteve has a reputation beyond repute370Zsteve has a reputation beyond repute370Zsteve has a reputation beyond repute
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by dlmartin81 View Post
Yeah...I hope so too.

But to be honest, I don't know what I should do first. Too many options...too many paths to take. I've thought about sending the contaminated oil like you said, but I want to get an accurate report of my oil and my engine's 'wear'/'oil consumption' so I can take to the dealer as proof. Yes, I could get two analysis done but that would mean extra time (because I'd have to order another testing kit) and I don't want to spend more time on the road than I have to. I would have taken the car to the dealer by now but I'm waiting for the testing....so I can have proof.
I thought you mixed your oil with your wife's car's oil? If so, dump the analysis idea.
__________________
SOLD MY Z MARCH 2018 - another Core OG moves on - new ride 2019 Z Corvette Grand Sport - no mods necessary but already have eyes on HFC and intakes LOL IT NEVER ENDS.
370Zsteve is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-22-2010, 10:51 AM   #116 (permalink)
A True Z Fanatic
 
semtex's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2009
Location: Behind enemy lines
Age: 54
Posts: 5,995
Drives: People to drink
Rep Power: 32
semtex has a reputation beyond reputesemtex has a reputation beyond reputesemtex has a reputation beyond reputesemtex has a reputation beyond reputesemtex has a reputation beyond reputesemtex has a reputation beyond reputesemtex has a reputation beyond reputesemtex has a reputation beyond reputesemtex has a reputation beyond reputesemtex has a reputation beyond reputesemtex has a reputation beyond repute
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by 370Zsteve View Post
You mean Amsoil? please tell me you meant Amsoil.
Amway, Amsoil, what's the diff? (I kid, I kid.)
__________________
"There are no small accidents on this circuit." -- Ayrton Senna
316.8whp & 248 ft/lbs (Dyno Dynamics) | 319whp & 256 ft/lbs (DynoJet) (04/23/10)
Stillen G3 CAI, CBE, Pulley / F.I. LTH / GTSpec Ladder Brace / Setrab Oil Cooler / UpRev-tuned by Forged Perf.
semtex is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-22-2010, 11:57 AM   #117 (permalink)
Track Member
 
dlmartin81's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2008
Location: Chalfont, PA
Age: 43
Posts: 923
Drives: 09 370Z
Rep Power: 607
dlmartin81 has a reputation beyond reputedlmartin81 has a reputation beyond reputedlmartin81 has a reputation beyond reputedlmartin81 has a reputation beyond reputedlmartin81 has a reputation beyond reputedlmartin81 has a reputation beyond reputedlmartin81 has a reputation beyond reputedlmartin81 has a reputation beyond reputedlmartin81 has a reputation beyond reputedlmartin81 has a reputation beyond reputedlmartin81 has a reputation beyond repute
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by 370Zsteve View Post
That looks like oil from a 1970 chevy that hasn't been changed in 5 years, wtf??? Any white smoke coming out of your tailpipe? Blown head gasket? WTF??????!
I haven't noticed any white smoke; however, I have noticed a slight smell coming from the vents when I use the A/C or heat. It could be my imagination...I don't know.

Quote:
Originally Posted by 370Zsteve View Post
I thought you mixed your oil with your wife's car's oil? If so, dump the analysis idea.
Well, I am planning to drain (whatever is needed) some oil and send it for testing. I called BlackStone and they said that they like oil to have at least 1K miles of use before testing. So once I get the testing kit (hopefully this week) and once I've driven over 1K with the new oil, I'll drain some, send it, and wait for the results.

The idea is, if I have a serious problem, then there should be some evidence of it in the current (new) oil.
dlmartin81 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-22-2010, 02:14 PM   #118 (permalink)
A True Z Fanatic
 
LiquidZ's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2008
Location: Columbus, OH
Posts: 1,940
Drives: Mag. Black 2009 370Z
Rep Power: 704
LiquidZ has a reputation beyond reputeLiquidZ has a reputation beyond reputeLiquidZ has a reputation beyond reputeLiquidZ has a reputation beyond reputeLiquidZ has a reputation beyond reputeLiquidZ has a reputation beyond reputeLiquidZ has a reputation beyond reputeLiquidZ has a reputation beyond reputeLiquidZ has a reputation beyond reputeLiquidZ has a reputation beyond reputeLiquidZ has a reputation beyond repute
Default

You guys are ruthless haha.
__________________
LiquidZ is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-22-2010, 03:00 PM   #119 (permalink)
Banned
 
j.arnaldo's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2009
Location: Puerto Rico
Posts: 937
Drives: Nissan 350Z, 2004
Rep Power: 0
j.arnaldo is on a distinguished road
Default

Amsoil products are a subsidiary/offshoot of the AMWAY corp.--if I'm not mistaken. I could be wrong, but AMWAY reps down here distribute Amsoil, too.
j.arnaldo is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-22-2010, 03:18 PM   #120 (permalink)
A True Z Fanatic
 
LiquidZ's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2008
Location: Columbus, OH
Posts: 1,940
Drives: Mag. Black 2009 370Z
Rep Power: 704
LiquidZ has a reputation beyond reputeLiquidZ has a reputation beyond reputeLiquidZ has a reputation beyond reputeLiquidZ has a reputation beyond reputeLiquidZ has a reputation beyond reputeLiquidZ has a reputation beyond reputeLiquidZ has a reputation beyond reputeLiquidZ has a reputation beyond reputeLiquidZ has a reputation beyond reputeLiquidZ has a reputation beyond reputeLiquidZ has a reputation beyond repute
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by j.arnaldo View Post
Amsoil products are a subsidiary/offshoot of the AMWAY corp.--if I'm not mistaken. I could be wrong, but AMWAY reps down here distribute Amsoil, too.
Honestly, I have never heard of Amway. Browsing their products, I don't see any mention of Amsoil whatsoever. Plus, on my way to becoming T-1 certified, I never encountered Amway along the way. It appears they utilize the same marketing strategy, which might be a source of confusion. Lastly, anybody can become a dealer if they wanted.
__________________
LiquidZ is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Bookmarks


Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
oil change ddvette9 Nissan 370Z General Discussions 45 01-04-2010 05:58 PM
Dirty exhaust tips? Car running too rich from stock? mcwoowoo Nissan 370Z General Discussions 7 10-08-2009 09:26 PM
Drifting Dirty o0javi0o Nissan 370Z Photos / Spyshots / Video / Media Gallery 8 09-19-2009 03:46 PM
1st oil change KiddAdelaide Australia/New Zealand 8 08-26-2009 05:58 PM
1st Oil Change tooohip Mid-Atlantic Region 4 06-25-2009 08:50 PM


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 03:33 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.4
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Search Engine Optimization by vBSEO 3.6.0 PL2