Oil Nerds Info

Jordo! · 07-14-2010, 06:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Matt

Here's my plan. I did my first change already (early, at 1500 miles) with Nissan Ester oil. I'm going to do a Blackstone analysis done to make sure everything has been good so far. Then I'll do another analysis on my Redline after an additional 5k miles (or whatever Blackstone suggests). If Redline doesn't look like it's meeting or exceeding the protection provided by the Ester Oil, I'll try out RP, or maybe M1.

Trying to figure out what oil is perfect for me by looking at other people's results will leave me dizzy. Those drivers will have different motors, different driving habits, different roads, different intervals, different everything.

I definitely am in the same boat as you as far as wanting what's best for the car though, and I applaud you for it.

Awesome! Yes, please post results when you have them! I'm curious to see how the Ester oil does too.

I may do the same after my first oil change, once all the break-in particles are flushed. On my third oil change I need to make a decision...

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Originally Posted by wishihadnav

I understand what your saying but as previously stated by many here there is no "perfect" oil to meet everyones needs..everybody has different driving habits and weather to contend with..UOA's really mean nothing to us as those are specific to YOUR vehicle only..

Right, but the degree of wear really shouldn't vary drastically for the same motor in the same car (i.e., in this case a sports car) even from region to region on a DD. If these were doing 24 hr enduro runs, sure -- but if the degree of, say, bearing wear varied THAT much, you'd see a lot more engines failing prematurely and mysteriously.

The exception would be people who spend equal or greater time on the track than the road, because we know that will have a huge impact on oil temps, which influences its wear protection.

However, that said, even given the fluctuations in oil temps, where the oil might provide less protection from wear, the ECU goes into limp mode to prevent that from happening.

Thus, I just don't think you're going to see wildly different wear results from DD to DD within the same mileage. the biggest differences will probably be in particles that indicate poor oil or air filtration.

wasti · 07-18-2010, 05:10 PM

looks like this is a never ending discussion.

what i very good for a porsche cant be wrong for our z !?

check this, i dont know if you have it in the us:

LUBRO MOLY - Lube Oils, Additives

Z-Guy · 07-21-2010, 12:53 AM

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Originally Posted by SigPapa226

Here is an interesting table I found over at Bobistheoilguy. I thought I would share it with you. (URL:Redline 0w40 in a Nissan GT-R - Bob Is The Oil Guy)

Re: Redline 0w40 in a Nissan GT-R [Re: buster]
Resolute

Registered: 07/12/07
Posts: 40
Loc: Colorado Hi Buster,

Thank you for the kind words and welcome. I don't visit this site much and am sorry not to have responded sooner.

I don't really make recommendations on oils, since it seems you could run just about anything and be alright with a normal drain interval. However, here is a comparison chart I have made for VQ35DE engine oil analysis. I considered over 100 UOA results from this engine when calculating the average wear amount for each metal per brand. Every brand and weight are averaged, and then the wear is normalized for mileage across all the different brands and weights I've collected. There are a number of older oils which are not on this chart because of formulation changes, such as the older RP and M1 blends, and some G5 PP blends as examples. What is reported here are the current formulations which are on sale, and how they compare to the collected averages for each wear metal. Red cells indicate more higher than one SD from the average, green cells indicate one SD lower than the average wear, and gray cells indicate wear within the SD.

Most of the UOA's are from 350Z owners, all of whom have the VQ35DE engine and have been keeping a running log of their UOA's on a 350Z site. A couple of G35 owners and VQ Altima owners, like Nederlander75 two posts above, have also been kind enough to contribute.

Attachment 9027

Will

For you 350Z guys this may be old news, but I found a lot more info on Oil from "Resolute" on that site. Here is the URL since there was quite a bit of information consolidated in one place - VQ Oil Analysis and Info - MY350Z.COM Forums

AK - I hope this is a legal post.

Okay, I'm new to this. What does SD stand for?

Jordo! · 07-21-2010, 01:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Z-Guy

Okay, I'm new to this. What does SD stand for?

standard deviation...

Jordo! · 12-27-2010, 04:47 PM

Here's my first UOA on Castrol syntec 0w30 -- Ze German stuff.

Supposedly, Lead, Copper, and Chromium are the ones to look for low numbers -- I'm not pleased with the copper wear, but the other two look good.

I'll try one more time on this oil, then possibly switch to something else... maybe Redline or back to the Ester oil... hmm.

I get that in theory it could be from break in, but I've got over 12K on the motor and this was the 2nd oil change after factory fill -- wouldn't all the wear particles be long gone???

Any thoughts?

EDIT: Did some research, and actually, this all does indeed look good to nomal. Looks like several of the wear metal numbers don't really start coming down on this motor until 15-20K.

Jordo! · 04-14-2011, 05:41 PM

Okay. here's number two...

Thoughts?

Jordo! · 08-30-2011, 07:17 PM

Crickets...

A third UOA if anyone cares...

Long story short, I think I'm going to try redline on next oil change. I do mostly city driving, but it would be nice to compare and contrast with another oil.

I'll get one more UOA on this one (last fill had Castrol 0w30) just to have a clear baseline for comparison, then will get data on Redline 5w30 with next oil change.

Man... I'll be over 30K at that point.

Methodical4u · 08-30-2011, 08:01 PM

I know Bob, he used to be on the Evo site... there was not ONE question ever asked that he couldn't answer. The guy really knows his stuff. It's like the science debate.. you can go over and over numbers, but they will indeed change. I do believe some oils are better, a good synthetic however has always been my choice and I won't name a brand and get into a debate, but I can tell you my oil temps have been cooler and i'm happy with that

Jordo! · 08-30-2011, 11:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Methodical4u

I know Bob, he used to be on the Evo site... there was not ONE question ever asked that he couldn't answer. The guy really knows his stuff. It's like the science debate.. you can go over and over numbers, but they will indeed change. I do believe some oils are better, a good synthetic however has always been my choice and I won't name a brand and get into a debate, but I can tell you my oil temps have been cooler and i'm happy with that

I won't debate it -- tell me

I'm wondering if maybe a 0 wt oil is too thin for the FL climate, especially in the summer. Could be that on start up it just isn't viscous enough.

Anyway, whether it's the oil or my driving habits, comparing the results with another oil should be informative.

If no change, then I guess I could either try a third oil, or just assume that those wear levels are not all that uncommon for city driving.

Anyway, I'm happy to see limited evidence of piston wear and my motor consumes zero oil, so if I can keep all that stable and protect the bearings a little better, I'll be happy.

Another possiblity is that it's not bearing wear -- supposedly lead particles can also come from the valvetrain... maybe the head really does need some sort of Ester oil to run optimally.

Beats me.

Anyway, I'll know better what's going on within the 10K or so.

Anbody else on here running the 0w30 German Castrol? If so, any UOA's?

FL 4Motion · 08-31-2011, 03:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jordo!

Crickets...

A third UOA if anyone cares...

Long story short, I think I'm going to try redline on next oil change. I do mostly city driving, but it would be nice to compare and contrast with another oil.

I'll get one more UOA on this one (last fill had Castrol 0w30) just to have a clear baseline for comparison, then will get data on Redline 5w30 with next oil change.

Man... I'll be over 30K at that point.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jordo!

I won't debate it -- tell me

I'm wondering if maybe a 0 wt oil is too thin for the FL climate, especially in the summer. Could be that on start up it just isn't viscous enough.

Anyway, whether it's the oil or my driving habits, comparing the results with another oil should be informative.

If no change, then I guess I could either try a third oil, or just assume that those wear levels are not all that uncommon for city driving.

Anyway, I'm happy to see limited evidence of piston wear and my motor consumes zero oil, so if I can keep all that stable and protect the bearings a little better, I'll be happy.

Another possiblity is that it's not bearing wear -- supposedly lead particles can also come from the valvetrain... maybe the head really does need some sort of Ester oil to run optimally.

Beats me.

Anyway, I'll know better what's going on within the 10K or so.

Anbody else on here running the 0w30 German Castrol? If so, any UOA's?

/\ Jordo, I'm running Mobil 1 0w-40. Been doing so since 5K and I'm at 13,1xx now. Haven't done a UOA but all the ones I've seen led me to believe that either it, or the castrol you're running are two of the best oils out there. My two cents would be to switch up to the mobile 1 0w-40 for 10K miles (two oil changes) and see what happens, it's an "off the shelf" oil, not something you need to order off the internet/go ot a performance shop to buy, to me, that has some weight.

Methodical4u · 08-31-2011, 05:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jordo!

I won't debate it -- tell me

I'm wondering if maybe a 0 wt oil is too thin for the FL climate, especially in the summer. Could be that on start up it just isn't viscous enough.

Anyway, whether it's the oil or my driving habits, comparing the results with another oil should be informative.

If no change, then I guess I could either try a third oil, or just assume that those wear levels are not all that uncommon for city driving.

Anyway, I'm happy to see limited evidence of piston wear and my motor consumes zero oil, so if I can keep all that stable and protect the bearings a little better, I'll be happy.

Another possiblity is that it's not bearing wear -- supposedly lead particles can also come from the valvetrain... maybe the head really does need some sort of Ester oil to run optimally.

Beats me.

Anyway, I'll know better what's going on within the 10K or so.

Anbody else on here running the 0w30 German Castrol? If so, any UOA's?

I don't think it's to thin myself. I use 0 wt also and have used it in my last 3 cars without issue. The car runs so incredibly smooth, quiet, the temps are cooler and the gas mileage is better. Not by a huge margin, but enough to notice.

tranceformer · 08-31-2011, 07:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jordo!

I won't debate it -- tell me

I'm wondering if maybe a 0 wt oil is too thin for the FL climate, especially in the summer. Could be that on start up it just isn't viscous enough.

Anyway, whether it's the oil or my driving habits, comparing the results with another oil should be informative.

If no change, then I guess I could either try a third oil, or just assume that those wear levels are not all that uncommon for city driving.

Anyway, I'm happy to see limited evidence of piston wear and my motor consumes zero oil, so if I can keep all that stable and protect the bearings a little better, I'll be happy.

Another possiblity is that it's not bearing wear -- supposedly lead particles can also come from the valvetrain... maybe the head really does need some sort of Ester oil to run optimally.

Beats me.

Anyway, I'll know better what's going on within the 10K or so.

Anbody else on here running the 0w30 German Castrol? If so, any UOA's?

I've used it twice last year, but only got one sample tested.

i think this one is it...

Red__Zed · 08-31-2011, 10:30 AM

I'll try and get my gc uoa's scanned in

Jordo! · 08-31-2011, 04:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FL 4Motion

/\ Jordo, I'm running Mobil 1 0w-40. Been doing so since 5K and I'm at 13,1xx now. Haven't done a UOA but all the ones I've seen led me to believe that either it, or the castrol you're running are two of the best oils out there. My two cents would be to switch up to the mobile 1 0w-40 for 10K miles (two oil changes) and see what happens, it's an "off the shelf" oil, not something you need to order off the internet/go ot a performance shop to buy, to me, that has some weight.

I'll try that after the Redline -- thanks

Quote:

Originally Posted by Methodical4u

I don't think it's to thin myself. I use 0 wt also and have used it in my last 3 cars without issue. The car runs so incredibly smooth, quiet, the temps are cooler and the gas mileage is better. Not by a huge margin, but enough to notice.

But you don't live in a really hot climate... what oil do you use?

My car runs super smooth too, burns no oil, and makes great power -- but that doesn't mean things aren't being gradually ground down inside. You really need a UOA to determine that.

Quote:

Originally Posted by tranceformer

I've used it twice last year, but only got one sample tested.

i think this one is it...

Cool -thanks! Your lead is nice and low. What kind of driving do you primarily do?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Red__Zed

I'll try and get my gc uoa's scanned in

Thanks-- I'd appreciate that!

Methodical4u · 08-31-2011, 04:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jordo!

I'll try that after the Redline -- thanks

But you don't live in a really hot climate... what oil do you use?

My car runs super smooth too, burns no oil, and makes great power -- but that doesn't mean things aren't being gradually ground down inside. You really need a UOA to determine that.

No, I don't live in a year round hot climate. We have had multiple days of 100 degrees and over... not to mention that the humidity is just about ALWAYS high here which sucks and drives the heat index WAYYYY up. I don't live in a hot dry climate no, but my car sees over 100 degrees and then it sees 0 or below days... IMO that's a better test for oil.

I use AMSoil SSO 0w-30.

Cool -thanks! Your lead is nice and low. What kind of driving do you primarily do?

Thanks-- I'd appreciate that!

No, I don't live in a year round hot climate. We have had multiple days of 100 degrees and over... not to mention that the humidity is just about ALWAYS high here which sucks and drives the heat index WAYYYY up. I don't live in a hot dry climate no, but my car sees over 100 degrees and then it sees 0 or below days... IMO that's a better test for oil.

I use AMSoil SSO 0w-30.

12-27-2010, 04:47 PM	#50 (permalink)
Jordo! A True Z Fanatic Join Date: May 2010 Location: nirvana Posts: 6,394 Drives: 2023 NATM Rep Power: 418	Here's my first UOA on Castrol syntec 0w30 -- Ze German stuff. Supposedly, Lead, Copper, and Chromium are the ones to look for low numbers -- I'm not pleased with the copper wear, but the other two look good. I'll try one more time on this oil, then possibly switch to something else... maybe Redline or back to the Ester oil... hmm. I get that in theory it could be from break in, but I've got over 12K on the motor and this was the 2nd oil change after factory fill -- wouldn't all the wear particles be long gone??? Any thoughts? EDIT: Did some research, and actually, this all does indeed look good to nomal. Looks like several of the wear metal numbers don't really start coming down on this motor until 15-20K. __________________ Enjoy it. Destroy it. Last edited by Jordo!; 12-27-2010 at 09:45 PM.

04-14-2011, 05:41 PM	#51 (permalink)
Jordo! A True Z Fanatic Join Date: May 2010 Location: nirvana Posts: 6,394 Drives: 2023 NATM Rep Power: 418	Okay. here's number two... Thoughts? __________________ Enjoy it. Destroy it.

08-30-2011, 07:17 PM	#52 (permalink)
Jordo! A True Z Fanatic Join Date: May 2010 Location: nirvana Posts: 6,394 Drives: 2023 NATM Rep Power: 418	Crickets... A third UOA if anyone cares... Long story short, I think I'm going to try redline on next oil change. I do mostly city driving, but it would be nice to compare and contrast with another oil. I'll get one more UOA on this one (last fill had Castrol 0w30) just to have a clear baseline for comparison, then will get data on Redline 5w30 with next oil change. Man... I'll be over 30K at that point. __________________ Enjoy it. Destroy it. Last edited by Jordo!; 08-30-2011 at 07:20 PM.

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