Looking for info on talented VHR builders.

Spooler · 08-04-2021, 03:21 PM

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Originally Posted by SteveVQ

I guess I'm going to stay stock block and go for the 600whp goal. It sounds so much simpler to achieve then the hurdles I will have to go through to achieve really big power. If I want to make 800+ easy, I guess I'll need to invest in a v8 platform or V8 swap...which makes me kinda sick to think about (Nissan Purist)

DRZA wont touch a stock block though. It doesn't meet their reliability standards. I'll need to find another shop if I go the TT stock block route.

An LS swap cost more than a proper TT build. Done right, they are not cheap at all.

gbrettin · 08-04-2021, 04:33 PM

SteveVQ - I've been wrestling a LS swap for a while now. Once you start cracking the engine open and buying performance parts, it's not cheap like Spooler said. You're welcome to pick my brain, I'm an open book.

If you're planning on getting a Used Gen4 low miles, gapping the rings, CAM, melling pump trunion, swap kit, wiring specialties (BCM to Stock PCM for stock gauges), intake and running a large single turbo... I think you can get it done for about 20k. That's you doing all the work. If you are REALLY serious, I will help you work out pricing (you will need to do some leg work too). Also, take a look at my build thread. There are plenty of do's and dont's in there.

I will say this... The kits out there now will speed everything up for you vs my slow snail path. There were literally no kits when I started. Use ONE swap kit only, don't mix and match because they are designed to work as one unit.

Now keep in mind that doesn't really go down the supporting mods your car will need. 900+ HP on the car seems to be a turning point for sh1t that you will break (from what I've seen).

I'm not trying to discourage anyone either. I just want your eyes to be open to the fact it's not different than spending 20k with Fast Intentions.

Actually there is a difference... F.I. has been designed to work with all your factory components. You WILL be mad as he11 with your car occasionally doing an LS swap (or any swap)... that's the nature of the beast.

Take a spin through my build. I have tried to take meticulous notes. Hopefully you will find inspiration if you go down that path.

Mr. G. Brettin's Slow Motion Leg Hump

Hopefully that is helpful.

SteveVQ · 08-04-2021, 05:23 PM

Appreciate it gents

Feedback from the veterans along with these build threads really does help.

Edit:

Absolutely amazing work @gbrettin. She's going to be a bad bishh.

oldskoolchuk · 08-04-2021, 06:03 PM

I really value all the input. Right now I'm at the boosted stock block on E85 point, and I would like to set myself apart from that. A Mazworks built motor is definitely going to give me more reliability than a stock motor, and it'll set me apart from that, which is part of why I want to go built block... I don't wanna be "just another boosted stock block on E85" guy. Not that 600whp is run of the mill... but getting to the point where I'm pushing past the fully built Golfs... or STIs... being a cut above them is kinda where I want to be. Super thankful that my eyes are open to all of the **** necessary to hit 850-900 now, but also looking for what point to aim for that's not going to require things like replacing sub frames and BMW trans swaps. I'm also, like Spooler, not going to be racing at dragstrips, nor from digs... that's not what I enjoy... but I'd sure love to catch back up with that blue supercharged coyote mustang and pull on him instead of watching him pull on me again.

Before fixing the deleted pcv and seeing all the blue smoke that resulted, I was entertaining the idea of a sequential to stay in boost through shifts. Perhaps going back to that line of thinking may be worth considering. I was just starting to research them... and they are.pricey... but would I be wiser to stay with a stock block and get a sequential given my goals? The thing that was bothering me is they don't seem to offer much longevity.

redondoaveb · 08-04-2021, 06:20 PM

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Originally Posted by oldskoolchuk

I really value all the input. Right now I'm at the boosted stock block on E85 point, and I would like to set myself apart from that. A Mazworks built motor is definitely going to give me more reliability than a stock motor, and it'll set me apart from that, which is part of why I want to go built block... I don't wanna be "just another boosted stock block on E85" guy. Not that 600whp is run of the mill... but getting to the point where I'm pushing past the fully built Golfs... or STIs... being a cut above them is kinda where I want to be. Super thankful that my eyes are open to all of the **** necessary to hit 850-900 now, but also looking for what point to aim for that's not going to require things like replacing sub frames and BMW trans swaps. I'm also, like Spooler, not going to be racing at dragstrips, nor from digs... that's not what I enjoy... but I'd sure love to catch back up with that blue supercharged coyote mustang and pull on him instead of watching him pull on me again.

Before fixing the deleted pcv and seeing all the blue smoke that resulted, I was entertaining the idea of a sequential to stay in boost through shifts. Perhaps going back to that line of thinking may be worth considering. I was just starting to research them... and they are.pricey... but would I be wiser to stay with a stock block and get a sequential given my goals? The thing that was bothering me is they don't seem to offer much longevity.

There are plenty of guys out there that run more than 600whp on the stock block with reliability. Even a fully built motor from Mazworx or SOHO doesn't guarantee reliability at 800/900whp although it sure helps

gbrettin · 08-04-2021, 06:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SteveVQ

Appreciate it gents

Feedback from the veterans along with these build threads really does help.

Edit:

Absolutely amazing work @gbrettin. She's going to be a bad bishh.

It's not a build yet though...

Thanks man.

oldskoolchuk · 08-04-2021, 06:36 PM

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Originally Posted by redondoaveb

There are plenty of guys out there that run more than 600whp on the stock block with reliability. Even a fully built motor from Mazworx or SOHO doesn't guarantee reliability at 800/900whp although it sure helps

Well it seems that 700-800 might be the ballpark with a built motor to avoid breaking the rest of the drivetrain. But I'm wondering here, will I be better at stock block 600+ whp and taking that money I would spend on a built motor and put in a sequential trans to give me the ability to push faster through gears by simply staying in boost? But how many miles will a sequential last?

Spooler · 08-04-2021, 10:14 PM

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Originally Posted by oldskoolchuk

Well it seems that 700-800 might be the ballpark with a built motor to avoid breaking the rest of the drivetrain. But I'm wondering here, will I be better at stock block 600+ whp and taking that money I would spend on a built motor and put in a sequential trans to give me the ability to push faster through gears by simply staying in boost? But how many miles will a sequential last?

You would be better putting it into your motor. Stock is not gonna last and when it goes it is ugly. A proper Sequential is 25k.

Spooler · 08-04-2021, 10:15 PM

Ops, they have gone up.

https://ma-motorsports.com/products/...hange-gear-box

redondoaveb · 08-04-2021, 10:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Spooler

You would be better putting it into your motor. Stock is not gonna last and when it goes it is ugly. A proper Sequential is 25k.

Bob's (Hotrodz) stock block lasted I think 5 years of track abuse. I'd take that any day of the week.

redondoaveb · 08-04-2021, 10:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Spooler

Ops, they have gone up.

https://ma-motorsports.com/products/...hange-gear-box

oldskoolchuk · 08-04-2021, 11:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Spooler

You would be better putting it into your motor. Stock is not gonna last and when it goes it is ugly. A proper Sequential is 25k.

That Hollinger is exactly the one I was looking at. So let's do math.

VHR core about 1500, plus shipping to Mazworks, then add 15,000 plus tax, plus shipping back, then motor swap labor... that's a price tag in the ballpark of that sequential.

Would another 150whp make me faster than sequential shifts and keeping boost?

The thing is, isn't the lifespan of the gears rather short?

Spooler · 08-04-2021, 11:51 PM

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Originally Posted by oldskoolchuk

That Hollinger is exactly the one I was looking at. So let's do math.

VHR core about 1500, plus shipping to Mazworks, then add 15,000 plus tax, plus shipping back, then motor swap labor... that's a price tag in the ballpark of that sequential.

Would another 150whp make me faster than sequential shifts and keeping boost?

The thing is, isn't the lifespan of the gears rather short?

Stock tranny? It depends on how you treat it. New Nissan trans is $1700, or it was. LOL Everything is going up.

Spooler · 08-04-2021, 11:55 PM

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Originally Posted by redondoaveb

Bob's (Hotrodz) stock block lasted I think 5 years of track abuse. I'd take that any day of the week.

It depends on what you are use too. 600whp on my car was boring as chit. 718whp was fun. 900whp was great.

Spooler · 08-04-2021, 11:57 PM

Do whatever you want. Pay your money and take your chances.

08-04-2021, 04:33 PM	#62 (permalink)
gbrettin A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Portage, MI Posts: 2,279 Drives: Tricycle Rep Power: 589151	SteveVQ - I've been wrestling a LS swap for a while now. Once you start cracking the engine open and buying performance parts, it's not cheap like Spooler said. You're welcome to pick my brain, I'm an open book. If you're planning on getting a Used Gen4 low miles, gapping the rings, CAM, melling pump trunion, swap kit, wiring specialties (BCM to Stock PCM for stock gauges), intake and running a large single turbo... I think you can get it done for about 20k. That's you doing all the work. If you are REALLY serious, I will help you work out pricing (you will need to do some leg work too). Also, take a look at my build thread. There are plenty of do's and dont's in there. I will say this... The kits out there now will speed everything up for you vs my slow snail path. There were literally no kits when I started. Use ONE swap kit only, don't mix and match because they are designed to work as one unit. Now keep in mind that doesn't really go down the supporting mods your car will need. 900+ HP on the car seems to be a turning point for sh1t that you will break (from what I've seen). I'm not trying to discourage anyone either. I just want your eyes to be open to the fact it's not different than spending 20k with Fast Intentions. Actually there is a difference... F.I. has been designed to work with all your factory components. You WILL be mad as he11 with your car occasionally doing an LS swap (or any swap)... that's the nature of the beast. Take a spin through my build. I have tried to take meticulous notes. Hopefully you will find inspiration if you go down that path. Mr. G. Brettin's Slow Motion Leg Hump Hopefully that is helpful. FL 4Motion, JARblue, Rusty and 4 others like this.

08-04-2021, 05:23 PM	#63 (permalink)
SteveVQ Base Member Join Date: Feb 2021 Location: Florida Posts: 218 Drives: '19 Camaro SS 6MT Rep Power: 52838	Appreciate it gents Feedback from the veterans along with these build threads really does help. Edit: Absolutely amazing work @gbrettin. She's going to be a bad bishh. FL 4Motion, gbrettin, redondoaveb and 1 others like this. __________________ ‘19 Camaro SS 1SS 6MT ‘13 370Z Sport/Touring 6MT 328whp (Sold) #LetsGoBrandon! Last edited by SteveVQ; 08-04-2021 at 05:41 PM.

08-04-2021, 06:03 PM	#64 (permalink)
oldskoolchuk Base Member Join Date: Jun 2015 Location: Minneapolis, MN Posts: 23 Drives: Boosted '13 Nismo Rep Power: 10	I really value all the input. Right now I'm at the boosted stock block on E85 point, and I would like to set myself apart from that. A Mazworks built motor is definitely going to give me more reliability than a stock motor, and it'll set me apart from that, which is part of why I want to go built block... I don't wanna be "just another boosted stock block on E85" guy. Not that 600whp is run of the mill... but getting to the point where I'm pushing past the fully built Golfs... or STIs... being a cut above them is kinda where I want to be. Super thankful that my eyes are open to all of the **** necessary to hit 850-900 now, but also looking for what point to aim for that's not going to require things like replacing sub frames and BMW trans swaps. I'm also, like Spooler, not going to be racing at dragstrips, nor from digs... that's not what I enjoy... but I'd sure love to catch back up with that blue supercharged coyote mustang and pull on him instead of watching him pull on me again. Before fixing the deleted pcv and seeing all the blue smoke that resulted, I was entertaining the idea of a sequential to stay in boost through shifts. Perhaps going back to that line of thinking may be worth considering. I was just starting to research them... and they are.pricey... but would I be wiser to stay with a stock block and get a sequential given my goals? The thing that was bothering me is they don't seem to offer much longevity. Last edited by oldskoolchuk; 08-04-2021 at 06:10 PM.

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