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DrBacon 12-24-2020 11:43 AM

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rovert 12-24-2020 03:33 PM

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Originally Posted by DrBacon (Post 3978541)
Obviously it was checked,

Well, if it was Mate, who ever checked it is a Moron.
Would have been pretty Friggin obvious there was a problem.
As for the rest of it, just because it held up to a few miles & some dyno runs doesn't mean its been done properly.
Sounds like folks are taking advantage of your naivety.
Imo you need a Better Engine Builder, or this will be just the beginning.
Not trying to bust your balls Mate, just annoyed with the Snake oil salesmen in this industry.
Good luck with it all & I mean that sincerely.
Cheers.

Spooler 12-24-2020 04:37 PM

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Originally Posted by rovert (Post 3978562)
Not trying to bust your balls Mate, just annoyed with the Snake oil salesmen in this industry.

Cheers.

True, it is very hard to get down to the truth of what will hold and what won't. Lots of misinformation out there. One launch at the track and his block is going to crack
between the main studs and head studs. That is why they have a billet block that has been made. That's IF the car makes power. Curious to see what steps have been
taken to deal with head lift. From the pictures posted, I don't see enough.

DrBacon 12-24-2020 05:02 PM

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Spooler 12-24-2020 05:15 PM

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Originally Posted by DrBacon (Post 3978578)
This engine is expected to be running 30-35psi of boost at full tilt, and we know there's a very good chance it'll run into head lift issues even with ARP L19 head studs, a step decked block and MLS headgaskets.

What headgasket did he use? He needs to use the BC headgasket. I see he has the rest of the solution. He is close. Cracking the block is a major concern for a DE. It is uncharted territory on the VHR.

DrBacon 12-24-2020 07:27 PM

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Spooler 12-24-2020 11:01 PM

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Originally Posted by DrBacon (Post 3978599)
I believe it's a dynosty headgasket. Yeah if the block cracks that would indeed be unfortunate but only one way to really know and can't exactly go back now. It is also using dynosty's billet girdle which from my understanding helps reinforce the block a lot. I wonder if the cracked blocks you know about weren't using one?

It was a Mazworx engine that Mark drag raced. He crack the block like I stated. That is why there is a billet VQ35DE block out there. It is between 9 and 10k. So, you guys are not doing anything new. The true answers are out there. You just have to search for them. That is how I know what I do. Everything is in my tread.

ZoomZ 12-25-2020 11:16 AM

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Originally Posted by DrBacon (Post 3978578)
This is a self built engine, and by self built it's not even me, just a friend who I am helping out. Could mistakes have been made? Oh yeah for sure. But this is the only way you will ever learn in life with literally anything, try it, learn what you did wrong, fix your mistake(s), do it again. It's pretty well expected this block will be disassembled again in the future due to whatever various issues that may arise. No one obviously expects perfection from a self build.

And yes, a lot of companies/people like to keep their secrets, which is exactly why we're just having to do this ourselves and see what fails, it's the only way. This engine is expected to be running 30-35psi of boost at full tilt, and we know there's a very good chance it'll run into head lift issues even with ARP L19 head studs, a step decked block and MLS headgaskets. But my point being is, just because you know something might fail doesn't mean you shouldn't try, right? We're all on the same team here, we just want to see VQ's make some power.

"Inventions were created by failures".-Me

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Optimiser 12-25-2020 09:57 PM

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Originally Posted by DrBacon (Post 3978578)
This is a self built engine, and by self built it's not even me, just a friend who I am helping out. Could mistakes have been made? Oh yeah for sure. But this is the only way you will ever learn in life with literally anything, try it, learn what you did wrong, fix your mistake(s), do it again. It's pretty well expected this block will be disassembled again in the future due to whatever various issues that may arise. No one obviously expects perfection from a self build.

And yes, a lot of companies/people like to keep their secrets, which is exactly why we're just having to do this ourselves and see what fails, it's the only way. This engine is expected to be running 30-35psi of boost at full tilt, and we know there's a very good chance it'll run into head lift issues even with ARP L19 head studs, a step decked block and MLS headgaskets. But my point being is, just because you know something might fail doesn't mean you shouldn't try, right? We're all on the same team here, we just want to see VQ's make some power.

If you have the money and time to waste then fine.
Just get it proffesionaly done I would think rather than risking it.

2011 Nismo#91 12-28-2020 06:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Optimiser (Post 3978752)
If you have the money and time to waste then fine.
Just get it professionally done I would think rather than risking it.

Yeah seriously, "30-35psi" & "we're just having to do this ourselves and see what fails".

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DrBacon 12-28-2020 06:57 AM

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Ghostvette 12-28-2020 08:20 AM

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Originally Posted by DrBacon (Post 3978999)
Building your own car is half the fun. Having a shop build your car seems so...disappointing. Not to mention the easy 20k+ in labor it would cost.

If all you care about is the end result and not the journey then sure, go crazy, but not everyone shares the same mentality. But can you really call yourself a car enthusiast at that point?

True to a point... but most of those suggesting a professional build have been down that road. We've built engines, trans & rear ends ourselves, learned the expensive mistakes and now choose to use a professional to build our cars. Yes, we could get engines & trans out of a salvage yards, old Detroit muscle was easy to find back in the 70s, now, not so much. Today's cars are sometimes harder to find, when they get crunched, there's not as much sheet metal around the engine and more things get broken.

If someone was building an engine today, my advice would be to have a professional do it, unless you are doing a basic rebuild of an engine that has 200k on it. You still have to have the block tanked, line-bored, decked and the heads gone through. The crank has to be matched to the block and balanced. Not everyone has the tools to assemble an engine properly, ring compressors and good torque wrenches aren't cheap, and why buy them for a 'first-time build'?

Bottomline, your friends' choice. My second piece of advice.... curate the YouTube videos... not everyone has their chit in one bag....:ugh2:

Spooler 12-28-2020 09:34 AM

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Originally Posted by DrBacon (Post 3978999)
Building your own car is half the fun. Having a shop build your car seems so...disappointing. Not to mention the easy 20k+ in labor it would cost.

If all you care about is the end result and not the journey then sure, go crazy, but not everyone shares the same mentality. But can you really call yourself a car enthusiast at that point?

Sounds like he might be pulling a Rusty. I hope he is not married or has kids. He may be shown the door. LMAO!!!! Reality is he is short on money to do a proper build. I get it. I have done it myself way too many times. This is the first build I have let someone else do. Why, because I didn't have too. You just showed your true colors with that last statement.

Rusty 12-28-2020 10:55 AM

Hope not. I lost count on the number of motors I built and blown up. :icon14: I really don't want to think about it.

DrBacon 12-28-2020 01:47 PM

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Spooler 12-28-2020 02:18 PM

I knew I was wasting my time. Not anymore.

DrBacon 12-28-2020 02:36 PM

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Spooler 12-28-2020 02:46 PM

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Originally Posted by DrBacon (Post 3979038)
Cya bud

Not if I can help it. Iggy list you go.

JARblue 12-28-2020 03:21 PM

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Originally Posted by DrBacon (Post 3978999)
Building your own car is half the fun...

If all you care about is the end result and not the journey then sure, go crazy, but not everyone shares the same mentality. But can you really call yourself a car enthusiast at that point?

:confused:

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Originally Posted by DrBacon (Post 3978578)
This is a self built engine, and by self built it's not even me.

So according to your own posts, you're actually not a car enthusiast?

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Originally Posted by DrBacon (Post 3979031)
But for some of us we have pride in creating something ourselves

:rolleyes: But you already said you didn't build it yourself...

DrBacon 12-28-2020 03:39 PM

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DrBacon 12-28-2020 04:48 PM

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Spooler 12-28-2020 06:17 PM

Further the VQ platform? That's a joke. You and your buddy are the reason it sucks so bad. Keep it a secret. LOL, everything is in my thread you refuse to read. Can you read? You act like we don't work on our own cars and that the DrBacon god has spoken. You and your buddy are saving the VQ. Please melt down some more. This is fun to watch. Go ahead, let's see some more.

Elmo370z 12-28-2020 06:34 PM

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Originally Posted by DrBacon (Post 3978578)
This is a self built engine, and by self built it's not even me, just a friend who I am helping out. Could mistakes have been made? Oh yeah for sure. But this is the only way you will ever learn in life with literally anything, try it, learn what you did wrong, fix your mistake(s), do it again. It's pretty well expected this block will be disassembled again in the future due to whatever various issues that may arise. No one obviously expects perfection from a self build.

And yes, a lot of companies/people like to keep their secrets, which is exactly why we're just having to do this ourselves and see what fails, it's the only way. This engine is expected to be running 30-35psi of boost at full tilt, and we know there's a very good chance it'll run into head lift issues even with ARP L19 head studs, a step decked block and MLS headgaskets. But my point being is, just because you know something might fail doesn't mean you shouldn't try, right? We're all on the same team here, we just want to see VQ's make some power.

Get it back up and running. Looks like you’re on the right path. Far as the De goes even with sleeves you’re reaching the potential of that block before you split it. That’s if you’re pushing the motor at full tilt 100% of the time. Just like you said you won’t learn if you don’t try.

Elmo370z 12-28-2020 06:39 PM

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Originally Posted by DrBacon (Post 3974931)
So this is a discussion I've had with a friend and we aren't really sure about, figured I'd ask here since you're all super knowledgeable people. But we're thinking THEORETICALLY, if you had an oil cooler and an oil fed turbo or supercharger, wouldn't it be smart to SLIGHTLY overfill your oil beyond the max line. The theory is that when the car sits the oil in the lines will drain back in the pan and give a higher than it actually is reading, when you go to start the car the oil is sucked in the lines and turbo/supercharger and now you're effectively low on oil. Does this sound insane or actually plausible?

Buy an accusump

madwi 12-28-2020 06:54 PM

:wtf2:

Spooler 12-28-2020 06:59 PM

I will tell you how to further the VQ platform. It is just like ever other platform. You have to pay a good shop to build your engine knowing that if it tanks you will have to pay again for a new engine after you diagnose what happened and correct it. The problem with the VQ platform is nobody wants to pay, just like your friend and yourself. I am supposed to give you all the knowledge I paid for. Well, that is not happening. What it will do is get the other shops that support the VQ platform to step up their game and spend the money on development. Why do you think the GTR platform has been so successful? People have been stepping up and paying for the development knowing if they blow stuff up, they will have to spend the money to do it all over again. That doesn't happen on the VQ platform. I hear of calls all the time with people fishing on on how to build the engine. It is that or they call, get a price, and never call back.

jchammond 12-28-2020 07:14 PM

What’d I miss :ugh2:

DrBacon 12-28-2020 07:24 PM

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Bonemaro 12-28-2020 07:31 PM

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Originally Posted by DrBacon (Post 3979096)
Welcome back sweetheart, you weren't gone long. Did you miss me?

I've been on this forum for enough years now to know that you in particular are nothing more than a sad arrogant ***.

I've been on this forum longer than all but two others.

Spooler 12-28-2020 07:40 PM

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Originally Posted by DrBacon (Post 3979096)
Welcome back sweetheart, you weren't gone long. Did you miss me?

I've been on this forum for enough years now to know that you in particular are nothing more than a sad arrogant ***.

FO mean anything to you?

Rusty 12-28-2020 07:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Bonemaro (Post 3979097)
I've been on this forum longer than all but two others.

13 yrs and 7 posts. :rofl2:

Falconquey 12-28-2020 07:53 PM

:koolaidwall:

Elmo370z 12-28-2020 08:30 PM

What is the purpose of the build? To drag race? I’d be interested in seeing how that mlx Hg with step decking the block holds up at high boost.

Elmo370z 12-28-2020 08:37 PM

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Originally Posted by DrBacon (Post 3979062)
I find it entertaining how someone comes here and is willing to share details, both good and bad for the greater good of this community only to get criticized and told to "just take it to a shop". It's no wonder why the VQ platform development has stalled and stuck in the past when your average honda build now makes more power than a higher end VQ. Pathetic.

None of you deserve ****. Guess it's time to join everyone else and keep the issues and solutions of a high powered vq build a secret. I'll see if a moderator is willing to delete this topic.

VQ development is **** because kids are into the platform and all the big bank accounts went to the GTR. Vinny Ten ran a 8.83 woth a DE block like 8 years ago, mazworx ran 7’s I believe. The R&D for a big power blower build isn’t there. Not many VQ owners are willing to drop 50-75k into these cars when you have the GtR to go fast in a straight line and in corners. There is a guy in south Florida who made 900whp with his De and he built it himself and tuned the car on a haltech stand-alone. I can put you in contact with him, just pm me he might be a huge help with any questions you have.

DrBacon 12-28-2020 09:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Elmo370z (Post 3979109)
VQ development is **** because kids are into the platform and all the big bank accounts went to the GTR. Vinny Ten ran a 8.83 woth a DE block like 8 years ago, mazworx ran 7’s I believe. The R&D for a big power blower build isn’t there. Not many VQ owners are willing to drop 50-75k into these cars when you have the GtR to go fast in a straight line and in corners. There is a guy in south Florida who made 900whp with his De and he built it himself and tuned the car on a haltech stand-alone. I can put you in contact with him, just pm me he might be a huge help with any questions you have.

Tim right? He has been very helpful. Thank you though. This build was actually roughly based on what he had done, just hopefully taken to a bit higher level.

But yeah I think I'll just leave this thread be now, no point. Tired of people, I have better **** to do.

Spooler 12-28-2020 09:35 PM

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Originally Posted by DrBacon (Post 3979120)
Tim right? He has been very helpful. Thank you though. This build was actually roughly based on what he had done, just hopefully taken to a bit higher level.

But yeah I think I'll just leave this thread be now, no point. Tired of people, I have better **** to do.

What's up, puss'in out. Figures

Spooler 12-28-2020 09:48 PM

Is this you????


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G3ONeq8_pss

BettyZ 12-28-2020 10:05 PM

And the train has officially wrecked. Trips, close this dumpster fire down like it's 2020, please.

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BettyZ 12-28-2020 10:06 PM

Also, Mr. Bacon, it seems all your posts have been converted to periods. How did that happen??

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Spooler 12-28-2020 10:14 PM

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Originally Posted by BettyZ (Post 3979129)
Also, Mr. Bacon, it seems all your posts have been converted to periods. How did that happen??

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He has to hide what he said somehow.


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