Help asap wont start

CivilPenny · 07-31-2020, 09:05 PM

Hi everyone,
I just got done installing some ambient lighting (through the cig lighter port)while I was listening to music with the battery on. The car went from 14-13 as normal to me and it never dropped below that, and I’ve never had an issue before. I went to start the car, it turns over once or twice, then stops. I checked the battery and it reads 14.5V...I really don’t know what the issue could be. There is a fuse right by the positive terminal that I have no clue what it does. Gas is full. Any ideas?

CivilPenny · 07-31-2020, 09:16 PM

UPDATE I put the charger on and it read 10v, however when I used the volt meter it read 14.5...after a few minutes of charging, it started up like normal. Could this have just been from wearing down the battery using the radio and some lights during install?

SouthArk370Z · 07-31-2020, 09:24 PM

If they are LED lights and you were listening to the music at a reasonable level, you should be able to go at least 2 hours without discharging the battery too far. I suspect you have a battery on its way out or the charging system is not working right.

Get another volt meter and compare it to your charger and meter. It sounds like the charger is reading correctly but you ought to verify that.

HapaZ · 08-01-2020, 01:47 AM

Is the battery in your voltmeter good?

CivilPenny · 08-01-2020, 01:47 PM

UPDATE 2....I unplugged everything last night from the cig lighters and anything that could possibly drain power while the car is off. I went to start it this morning, and it is completely dead. No power what so ever. Last night after the charge, I took it around the block, parked it, unplugged things, and now this. Terminals are clean of corrosion. Charger currently reads 7v and charging. Thoughts?

cv129 · 08-01-2020, 02:15 PM

Charging a few min, then drove around the block, that wasn’t enough to actually charge the battery.

If you still have the original battery, then it’s time for a new one.

geeteezee · 08-01-2020, 02:22 PM

Have the battery load tested. Or google and try it yourself.

CivilPenny · 08-01-2020, 02:41 PM

CV129, I can understand that theory, but technicaly, the battery should’ve left off where it was right? I came out this morning and EVERYTHING was dead, no lights, power locks didn’t work, so it seems something would be draining the battery, yeah?

1slow370 · 08-01-2020, 04:32 PM

That's just the cars way of telling you you should never add interior led accent strips.

But seriously it's called a surface charge your battery is dead time for a new one. It was just it's time.

cv129 · 08-01-2020, 04:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CivilPenny

CV129, I can understand that theory, but technicaly, the battery should’ve left off where it was....

Nope nope nope, not how it works.

I don’t have the technical explanation. In plain English, there’s such a thing regarding ability of any battery to hold its charge. As batteries age, the ability to hold the charge decreases, in general.

Also, FYI, the battery takes a big draw-down when we crank the engine.

cv129 · 08-01-2020, 04:43 PM

Besides, modern car still draws energy even if nothing is plugged into the cig lighter. Radio memory and ecu.

1slow370 · 08-01-2020, 04:49 PM

Yeah but that's mA loads his battery is just F'd and needs to be replaced

CivilPenny · 08-01-2020, 04:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 1slow370

That's just the cars way of telling you you should never add interior led accent strips.

But seriously it's called a surface charge your battery is dead time for a new one. It was just it's time.

Sigh...if you read earlier, the lights are not hard wired into the system in any way. It simply runs off the port like any phone charger would etc. I will give a new battery a shot and will look into what you call a surface charge.

1slow370 · 08-01-2020, 04:57 PM

Your battery is only showing a surface charge the multimeter only draws a milliamp of current which isn't enough to load the battery and show the real voltage. It's lead acid they do that it's a chemistry thing. And it's not about how they are wired it's just that they don't belong lol

Rusty · 08-01-2020, 08:37 PM

The avg life of a car battery is 3 to 5 yrs. You get anything over that, the stars are in alignment for that battery. The life span of a battery is dependent on a few things. Age. The number of times it has been deep cycled. That is draining the battery to almost zero volts, and bringing it back up. If the battery has run low on water, if the plates has been exposed.

The plates in a battery get a build-up of sulfate on them over time. If the sulfate breaks off the plates in a big enough piece. It will short out 2 plates next to each other. Causing a dead cell. Each cell is good for 2.2 volts. what causes the sulfate to break off. Age, it just fakes off. Running low on water and exposing the top of the plates. Air hits it and causes a reaction. Vibrations in the car.

07-31-2020, 09:05 PM	#1 (permalink)
CivilPenny Base Member Join Date: Apr 2019 Location: MICHIGAN Posts: 22 Drives: 2012 Nissan 370z 6MT Rep Power: 6	Help asap wont start Hi everyone, I just got done installing some ambient lighting (through the cig lighter port)while I was listening to music with the battery on. The car went from 14-13 as normal to me and it never dropped below that, and I’ve never had an issue before. I went to start the car, it turns over once or twice, then stops. I checked the battery and it reads 14.5V...I really don’t know what the issue could be. There is a fuse right by the positive terminal that I have no clue what it does. Gas is full. Any ideas?

07-31-2020, 09:24 PM	#3 (permalink)
SouthArk370Z Premium Member Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: South Arkansas Posts: 8,435 Drives: 2014 Challenger Rep Power: 324198	If they are LED lights and you were listening to the music at a reasonable level, you should be able to go at least 2 hours without discharging the battery too far. I suspect you have a battery on its way out or the charging system is not working right. Get another volt meter and compare it to your charger and meter. It sounds like the charger is reading correctly but you ought to verify that. Spartan 1771 likes this. __________________ Steering Lock Links - Search The370Z Bookmarklet - FSM @ NICOclub Mankind has progressed past the need for war but we haven't evolved that far. - NachoMahma

08-01-2020, 01:47 PM	#5 (permalink)
CivilPenny Base Member Join Date: Apr 2019 Location: MICHIGAN Posts: 22 Drives: 2012 Nissan 370z 6MT Rep Power: 6	UPDATE 2....I unplugged everything last night from the cig lighters and anything that could possibly drain power while the car is off. I went to start it this morning, and it is completely dead. No power what so ever. Last night after the charge, I took it around the block, parked it, unplugged things, and now this. Terminals are clean of corrosion. Charger currently reads 7v and charging. Thoughts? Last edited by CivilPenny; 08-01-2020 at 02:14 PM.

08-01-2020, 02:15 PM	#6 (permalink)
cv129 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: Dallas, TX Posts: 3,235 Drives: 09 Nismo, 16 Nismo Rep Power: 163995	Charging a few min, then drove around the block, that wasn’t enough to actually charge the battery. If you still have the original battery, then it’s time for a new one. SouthArk370Z, Rusty and Ghostvette like this. __________________ Setrab \| RE-71 \| SPL \| JRZ \| Nismo \| ARK \| Whiteline \| RacingBrake \| CJM Oil Pan \| Ti shield

08-01-2020, 02:22 PM	#7 (permalink)
geeteezee Base Member Join Date: Jun 2019 Location: Ontario Posts: 191 Drives: 19 370z Heritage EAC Rep Power: 3361	Have the battery load tested. Or google and try it yourself. SouthArk370Z likes this. __________________

07-31-2020, 09:16 PM	#2 (permalink)
CivilPenny Base Member Join Date: Apr 2019 Location: MICHIGAN Posts: 22 Drives: 2012 Nissan 370z 6MT Rep Power: 6	UPDATE I put the charger on and it read 10v, however when I used the volt meter it read 14.5...after a few minutes of charging, it started up like normal. Could this have just been from wearing down the battery using the radio and some lights during install?

08-01-2020, 01:47 AM	#4 (permalink)
HapaZ Base Member Join Date: Sep 2014 Location: NorCal Posts: 245 Drives: 2012 370z Base Coupe Rep Power: 11	Is the battery in your voltmeter good?

08-01-2020, 02:41 PM	#8 (permalink)
CivilPenny Base Member Join Date: Apr 2019 Location: MICHIGAN Posts: 22 Drives: 2012 Nissan 370z 6MT Rep Power: 6	CV129, I can understand that theory, but technicaly, the battery should’ve left off where it was right? I came out this morning and EVERYTHING was dead, no lights, power locks didn’t work, so it seems something would be draining the battery, yeah?

08-01-2020, 04:32 PM	#9 (permalink)
1slow370 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: In the D Posts: 3,732 Drives: v8 74 260z ;) Rep Power: 7251	That's just the cars way of telling you you should never add interior led accent strips. But seriously it's called a surface charge your battery is dead time for a new one. It was just it's time. SouthArk370Z, JARblue and Rusty like this. __________________ ANSWER PRICE LIST Answers - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - $0.75 Answers (requiring thought) - - - - $1.25 Answers (correct) - - - - - - - - - - $12.50

08-01-2020, 04:43 PM	#11 (permalink)
cv129 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: Dallas, TX Posts: 3,235 Drives: 09 Nismo, 16 Nismo Rep Power: 163995	Besides, modern car still draws energy even if nothing is plugged into the cig lighter. Radio memory and ecu. __________________ Setrab \| RE-71 \| SPL \| JRZ \| Nismo \| ARK \| Whiteline \| RacingBrake \| CJM Oil Pan \| Ti shield

08-01-2020, 04:49 PM	#12 (permalink)
1slow370 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: In the D Posts: 3,732 Drives: v8 74 260z ;) Rep Power: 7251	Yeah but that's mA loads his battery is just F'd and needs to be replaced cv129 and Rusty like this. __________________ ANSWER PRICE LIST Answers - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - $0.75 Answers (requiring thought) - - - - $1.25 Answers (correct) - - - - - - - - - - $12.50

08-01-2020, 04:57 PM	#14 (permalink)
1slow370 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: In the D Posts: 3,732 Drives: v8 74 260z ;) Rep Power: 7251	Your battery is only showing a surface charge the multimeter only draws a milliamp of current which isn't enough to load the battery and show the real voltage. It's lead acid they do that it's a chemistry thing. And it's not about how they are wired it's just that they don't belong lol SouthArk370Z and Rusty like this. __________________ ANSWER PRICE LIST Answers - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - $0.75 Answers (requiring thought) - - - - $1.25 Answers (correct) - - - - - - - - - - $12.50

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Rusty Ronin Samurai - Assassin Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: Fayettenam,Pennsyltucky Age: 68 Posts: 35,217 Drives: 2011 Nismo GM 6M Rep Power: 2684438	The avg life of a car battery is 3 to 5 yrs. You get anything over that, the stars are in alignment for that battery. The life span of a battery is dependent on a few things. Age. The number of times it has been deep cycled. That is draining the battery to almost zero volts, and bringing it back up. If the battery has run low on water, if the plates has been exposed. The plates in a battery get a build-up of sulfate on them over time. If the sulfate breaks off the plates in a big enough piece. It will short out 2 plates next to each other. Causing a dead cell. Each cell is good for 2.2 volts. what causes the sulfate to break off. Age, it just fakes off. Running low on water and exposing the top of the plates. Air hits it and causes a reaction. Vibrations in the car. SouthArk370Z, JARblue, Ghostvette and 1 others like this. __________________ 浪人 - 殺し屋 "The Difficult Anytime, The Impossible By Appointment Only" http://www.the370z.com/members-370z-...o-journal.html

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