Sasha Anis and Jim Wolfe 4.2 N/A VQ 500+whp

Spooler · 03-25-2019, 02:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Rusty

If someone offered you a $100,000 for you to give them a blow job. Would you turn it down?

Rusty = Gutter Mind. Zoren is wearing on you. I would turn it down in a heartbeat. Stupid question.

Rusty · 03-25-2019, 02:33 PM

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Originally Posted by zer099

$30k for the long block? $100k for the full engine? That government prices and $1000 an hour labor rate?

$30k for that setup, at most. V6 shaftless ITBs are only around $4-5k. Custom crank, dry sump setup, rods and pistons: maybe around $9-10k. Heads are not super special, just custom/rare cams and $3-4k in head work. Custom headers maybe around $2500, if even. Maybe $2k in fasteners, bearings, and fluids. Hell, even if he went special coatings/treatment on high-wear parts it just adds around $3k max. Presuming he didn't lift a finger to do any of the work to save money I would be pressed to say that engine cost $30k even. The dyno time and engine management would be a ticket item, good thing he does his own tuning.

That's the engine, so long block plus auxiliary maybe $30k, not the entire car setup.

That motor is on the plus 50 grand side. When is the last time you had a custom engine put together? Create motors are a different story. Ever price a Nelson motor. Some of them are way over 50 grand.

Rusty · 03-25-2019, 02:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Spooler

Rusty = Gutter Mind. Zoren is wearing on you. I would turn it down in a heartbeat. Stupid question.

No it's not. Every thing has a price. You even said so your self.

AlWakRa · 03-25-2019, 02:41 PM

100k

you can do a lot with that much money, but cannot hide the dream of having it in a track prepared 370z.

zer099 · 03-25-2019, 09:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Spooler

Why don't you go have all that work done and then tell us how much it costs. I know how much I have in my engine build. It's not cheap.

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Originally Posted by Rusty

That motor is on the plus 50 grand side. When is the last time you had a custom engine put together? Create motors are a different story. Ever price a Nelson motor. Some of them are way over 50 grand.

I never said it was cheap, i said it was most likely around $30k. I don't find that cheap, but I don't agree it was $50k either. I've build a handful of engines that have done excellent at what they were built for. I am very familiar with crap work and exceptional machine work. I'm also well up to date in the current market cost when it comes to the internals of our engine, and those prices I quoted can easily be verified with a web search or a phone call or two.

And Nelson motors are nice, but you are paying a premium for a name as well, you have to keep that in mind.

I 100% agree it's an expensive engine, but I think there are some inflated price estimates being thrown around. JWT can slap whatever number they want on that engine, but realistically the cost of parts and labor not inflated are not as much as some are estimating I feel. It's still just a VQ37 block slightly over-bored with a custom rotating assembly and some HR heads with great work done to them and race cams in it. They might have sleeved it, but I don't see why they would, and they might have installed some type of block guard to close deck it but still, it's not a custom molded block.

Spooler · 03-25-2019, 09:27 PM

The first video of the engine.

Spooler · 03-25-2019, 09:30 PM

A Bryant racing crank is 5 to 6K..... You are thinking Brian Crower, Chinese made stuff that takes a ton of machine work to get it right.

zer099 · 03-26-2019, 12:05 PM

There are more people then Bryant racing that makes cranks that are just as good and half that price; machined from billet, per your specs (marine crankshaft inc come straight to mind). You are still thinking deepest pocket. I've seen the first video, and I still stand by my estimate/guesstimate. Just throwing out overpriced well established company names doesn't mean they are the end-all-be-all, the best, or the most economical route.

AlWakRa · 03-26-2019, 04:35 PM

In the end, whatever the price, it means it will be nearly what new car is worth

I know there was a lot of debate about this, but Sasha work opens the door for more speculations, we have now people who went cams route and generated around 370whp, what if we got cams + stroker + vq35hr heads + maybe bigger intake and exhaust components, I think this will be around 400whp or more. I am planning of staying NA, and my car is a long term track car, so this option is very viable to me if something happened to my engine, which I don't wish

it will not hurt to get some extra hp/tq if I was going to order a built engine from the other side of the world, and would not hurt to get the same engine from Sasha if the price is right for both of us

Hotrodz · 03-26-2019, 07:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Spooler

A Bryant racing crank is 5 to 6K..... You are thinking Brian Crower, Chinese made stuff that takes a ton of machine work to get it right.

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Originally Posted by zer099

There are more people then Bryant racing that makes cranks that are just as good and half that price; machined from billet, per your specs (marine crankshaft inc come straight to mind). You are still thinking deepest pocket. I've seen the first video, and I still stand by my estimate/guesstimate. Just throwing out overpriced well established company names doesn't mean they are the end-all-be-all, the best, or the most economical route.

I called Bryant about a year ago and the 370z crank is $3k.

That said that build is no less than $50k!

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Spooler · 03-26-2019, 08:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Hotrodz

I called Bryant about a year ago and the 370z crank is $3k.

That said that build is no less than $50k!

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That's a stock crank. A stroked one is more.

Spooler · 03-26-2019, 08:21 PM

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Originally Posted by AlWakRa

In the end, whatever the price, it means it will be nearly what new car is worth

I know there was a lot of debate about this, but Sasha work opens the door for more speculations, we have now people who went cams route and generated around 370whp, what if we got cams + stroker + vq35hr heads + maybe bigger intake and exhaust components, I think this will be around 400whp or more. I am planning of staying NA, and my car is a long term track car, so this option is very viable to me if something happened to my engine, which I don't wish

it will not hurt to get some extra hp/tq if I was going to order a built engine from the other side of the world, and would not hurt to get the same engine from Sasha if the price is right for both of us

SOHO did a NA 4.0 stroker that was 4xx at the wheel. That is with stock cams. It's on here somewhere. Let me look.

Spooler · 03-26-2019, 08:26 PM

Here it is. Stock air boxes, It was 378hp.

VHR Record

BGTV8 · 03-27-2019, 05:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Chasingstatus

This motor is pretty insane. I'd love to know how to get my hands on a similar ITB kit. Probably a tuning nightmare but the sound alone is almost worth it, well the 8200 redline screaming doesn't hurt either. Sasha has been killing it for years just thought I'd share. He's working on a hybrid system for his track z too it's kinda crazy.

You can purchase the ITB kit already - go to www.onpoindyno.com and ask Sasha - I have an example

BGTV8 · 03-27-2019, 05:17 AM

You will not get much change from $US40-45K for an engine of this specification.

HINT: Ask me how I know

03-25-2019, 02:41 PM	#19 (permalink)
AlWakRa Track Member Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Qatar Posts: 600 Drives: 10 370Z PW 6MT Rep Power: 13450	100k you can do a lot with that much money, but cannot hide the dream of having it in a track prepared 370z. __________________ 2010 370Z Touring Sport Pearl White 6MT Powered by: Fast Intentions - Motordyne - Stillen - OS Giken - CJ Motorsports - Mishimoto - MCA Suspension - SPL - SuperPRO - RJM - Z1 Motorsport - Zspeed - Volk My Humble Journals

03-26-2019, 12:05 PM	#23 (permalink)
zer099 Base Member Join Date: Oct 2015 Location: Dawsonville, GA Posts: 88 Drives: '98 200sx; '09 G37x Rep Power: 10	There are more people then Bryant racing that makes cranks that are just as good and half that price; machined from billet, per your specs (marine crankshaft inc come straight to mind). You are still thinking deepest pocket. I've seen the first video, and I still stand by my estimate/guesstimate. Just throwing out overpriced well established company names doesn't mean they are the end-all-be-all, the best, or the most economical route. __________________ 2009 G37X \| 326 AWHP \| 264 AWTQ

03-26-2019, 04:35 PM	#24 (permalink)
AlWakRa Track Member Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Qatar Posts: 600 Drives: 10 370Z PW 6MT Rep Power: 13450	In the end, whatever the price, it means it will be nearly what new car is worth I know there was a lot of debate about this, but Sasha work opens the door for more speculations, we have now people who went cams route and generated around 370whp, what if we got cams + stroker + vq35hr heads + maybe bigger intake and exhaust components, I think this will be around 400whp or more. I am planning of staying NA, and my car is a long term track car, so this option is very viable to me if something happened to my engine, which I don't wish it will not hurt to get some extra hp/tq if I was going to order a built engine from the other side of the world, and would not hurt to get the same engine from Sasha if the price is right for both of us zer099 likes this. __________________ 2010 370Z Touring Sport Pearl White 6MT Powered by: Fast Intentions - Motordyne - Stillen - OS Giken - CJ Motorsports - Mishimoto - MCA Suspension - SPL - SuperPRO - RJM - Z1 Motorsport - Zspeed - Volk My Humble Journals

03-26-2019, 08:26 PM	#28 (permalink)
Spooler A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jun 2014 Location: Ga Posts: 13,834 Drives: 2013 Nismo 370z Rep Power: 2684392	Here it is. Stock air boxes, It was 378hp. VHR Record AlWakRa likes this.

03-27-2019, 05:17 AM	#30 (permalink)
BGTV8 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: 03350 Australia Posts: 1,514 Drives: 09 Nissan 370Z M6 Rep Power: 39974	You will not get much change from $US40-45K for an engine of this specification. HINT: Ask me how I know AlWakRa, Rusty, Hotrodz and 1 others like this.

03-25-2019, 09:27 PM	#21 (permalink)
Spooler A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jun 2014 Location: Ga Posts: 13,834 Drives: 2013 Nismo 370z Rep Power: 2684392	The first video of the engine.

03-25-2019, 09:30 PM	#22 (permalink)
Spooler A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jun 2014 Location: Ga Posts: 13,834 Drives: 2013 Nismo 370z Rep Power: 2684392	A Bryant racing crank is 5 to 6K..... You are thinking Brian Crower, Chinese made stuff that takes a ton of machine work to get it right.

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